6handed on bovada (5/10)
a247r in sb

lojack limps, fold, co limps, btn raises, i 3bet, bb 4bets, lojack folds, everybody else calls

4 to the flop.
q9t rainbow

i donk, bb folds, call, call

7 still rainbow

i bet, call, call

5

i bet in stride

You've made your bed so I guess you're going to lie in it.

However, I'm thinking one of those two will look you up getting 13-1 on the call. Hard to see what they were drawing to that missed on the river except a full house. Having gone this far those 2 pair and sets are going to call in limit poker.

No. Vs 2 callers twice I doubt that that river ever gets through, especially vs co. Any QT, Q9, sets, or even a passive J8 never folds river.
And I really don't know why you would choose this flop to initially donk lead, when you have just that little equity (0% basically), and it's multiway including against an overlimper, whose range this flop could well smash.
The other thing is that I presume that you wouldn't have that many hands that smash this flop that would 3bet pre. And even the ones that did, I'd assume that you would likely be check-raising them anyway.

Also, why do you 3bet rather than just flat pre? When there are 2 initial limpers, I doubt either of them fold to 2 extra bets, if that was your aim. You were somewhat fortunate that the bb 4bet and then got one of them to fold, but not fortunate in the sense that you are now playing an even larger 4-way pot oop, with a very likely dominated hand, that gets quartered a lot. And I don't think that 3betting it helps you that much postflop when it's 3-way.

I would definitely just flat this preflop. Then you can let it go much more easily on a horrible flop like this.

wtf is a lojack

sorry, it was limped to me and i raised and bb 3bet. (15 bets to the flop)

Seems to me like you managed to misplay every single street.

I think this:
Button (BTN): The player on the button
Cutoff (CO): The player to the immediate right of the button
Hijack (HJ): The player two seats to the right of the button
Lojack (LJ): The player three seats to the right of the button

Buzz

+1000

Preflop is debatable but not a misstep. Depends on the lineup.

On the flop he takes a stab---my guess is that one/both players had either a pair and/or a draw to the Broadway.

And, once he decides to barrel the turn, he HAS to bet the river---checking would be awful unless he knows for certain that one of these guys will look him up with 1 pair while chasing a draw. (He has no showdown value with two sevens) and some players won't even look you up with two pair if they A)don't pay attention to pot size and/or B) think that you MUST have the nuts if you're betting three streets OOP.

Would I take his line on the average? No. Every now and again? Yes. Bluffing is never a misstep IF there is sound reason for trying to pull it off...and that is something only OP can answer.

-_-. Well at least the preflop error discussion doesn't apply anymore, as that's fine. But I think the rest of my earlier postflop points still stand, considering the bb re-raised you.

As a side note, if the initial limper limp-folds to a 3bet, you're in a good game.

And yes you're at basically the bottom of your range on the river, but that's only because you've played your nonsense that way to get there, which shouldn't normally be in your range. I'm fine with just (exploititatively) checking this brick river vs 2 people.

Hard to know much about the lineup to do much justifying when playing on Bovada, where you don't know the identity of the other players.

The OP's correction to the preflop action makes the preflop play more sensible but the postflop play less so.

I do agree that if you decide to bet the turn, you have to do so already committed to betting this river. Your opponents are significantly more likely to fold the river than the turn. But in neither case likely enough to initiate the bluff in the first place.

lojack = UTG in 6max iirc


assuming your 3-bet was profitable for reasons you deemed valid... I like your line post flop somewhat.. I would like to know the logic that "betting river is mando once you bet turn" .. I think after turn you can stop trying to bluff because a good player should know that KJxx isn't a huge part of your range and/or has nuts/blockers considering the action PF and at no point here should KJ raise on the BTN... If LJ/BTN is on the nitty side go ahead and bet they might make a hero fold

You should get called by all sets and some QT.. T9x might even hero you on the BTN if they are decent

I would have liked to check-raise/fold OTT to BTN better than this

thanks everyone. yeah, i'm still on the fence whether it's a complete donkspew or ok. i just think that i have such a price to bluff and can force bb to fold a ton hands that i have 0% equity against. by the river, i still feel like even the last guy to act might frustratingly fold 2 pair without thinking because he's had the mindset the whole time of needing to hit his full house. + can get dude to fold even more than that if he's not closing the action. idk, it probably is really bad tho, but it worked out this time and made me feel like a true pimp.