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01-20-2015 , 04:07 AM
Note: Loose passive table.
    WPN, $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #34304021

    MP2: $7.38 (73.8 bb)
    MP3: $23.68 (236.8 bb)
    Hero (CO): $10.67 (106.7 bb)
    BTN: $6.92 (69.2 bb)
    SB: $9.75 (97.5 bb)
    BB: $8.61 (86.1 bb)
    UTG+2: $6.52 (65.2 bb)
    MP1: $5.65 (56.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 3 A 5 3
    UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $0.10, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, SB completes, BB checks

    Flop: ($0.60) 2 4 T (6 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $0.57, BTN calls $0.57, 4 folds

    Turn: ($1.74) 2 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $1.10, Hero calls $1.10

    River: ($3.94) 8 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $2, Hero calls $2

    Spoiler:
    Results: $7.94 pot ($0.39 rake)
    Final Board: 2 4 T 2 8
    Hero showed 3 A 5 3 and won $3.78 ($0.01 net)
    BTN showed 3 6 5 8 and won $3.77



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    01-20-2015 , 06:24 PM
    Hero bets like he has the nuts: pre.; flop and river. Turn is debatable, vs. a normal any4 button (like here) I bet enough to try to have at least 1/2 pot for the river but it is annoying to get raised as you have a lot of A2 hands in your range so villain shouldn't be bluffing much and with 5 villains on the flop you can be in a lot of bad spots.

    To be fair BTN probably calls if he gets to the river, because that's what any4s do when they get to the river with a terrible high and a terrible low. But then he'll do the same thing when you take the same line with AT3 or AA5.

    I'm guessing you are going for the super passive approach, for lower variance. Except this isn't a great hand to just limp with pre., as you need a flop with a 2h to have a good scoop hand so you'll often be playing for half which isn't great vs. 5 villains. The flop looks like the nuts, but if you get multiway action you should often be in some bad spots ... so being passive pre. and betting this much on the flop isn't really consistent.

    Given your line up to the river, I'd either bet pot or x/r pot because you have 2 3s so are less likely to be splitting the nut low. But, again, as above villain might well call a x/r given his hand.
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    01-20-2015 , 06:26 PM
    I'm betting turn to keep building the pot and i'm also jamming the river in case he is not full has a hand like AK23 and your high is good.

    But iliiterat pretty much nailed it.
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    01-21-2015 , 01:48 AM
    You could also raise preflop or flat depending on your image. I er on the side of raising.

    I would continue betting on the turn. Id say his range on the flop didn't consist of a lot of 2's and definetely doesn't on the turn just from a card removal standpoint. His range has way more draws in it then it does 2's as well. All that said it is hard for us to rep a 2, maybe it doesn't matter at this level though.

    I would have bombed the river after betting the turn. It's unlikely he has the nut low as we have 2 of the 3's. which means his entire range is mediocre. check raise the river.
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    01-21-2015 , 10:52 PM
    Why raise pre-flop with a hand that plays better multi-way? I think it's the kind of hand you want to see a cheap flop with.
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    01-22-2015 , 02:30 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by brian64
    Why raise pre-flop with a hand that plays better multi-way? I think it's the kind of hand you want to see a cheap flop with.
    I like the raise here just to try and push out the button giving us position for the rest of the hand. Depending on the type of read we have on button a called raise may give us more info on his range. In an early position I'm probably just limping.

    Personally, I almost always limp in on my button if the blinds are tight players.
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    01-22-2015 , 10:14 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by brian64
    Why raise pre-flop with a hand that plays better multi-way? I think it's the kind of hand you want to see a cheap flop with.
    Because it doesn't play well multiway.

    Eg. Flop comes: J 7 4

    ...and hero does what?

    HU on this flop you have: a pair; backdoor flush; gutter ball; 2nd nut low with some counterfeit protection; set draw. You can happily bet here vs. a lot of villains, and apply pressure on a lot of turns.

    Multiway you have weak draws and the 2nd nut low draw. You can't bet, and unless you are planning on calling it down with just the 2nd nut low calling isn't good ... so that only leaves one option.

    And this is an ok flop for your hand, esp. if you exclude ones without a 2.

    If you are a fan of limping for multiway pots, I'd much rather do it with A853 where you can more easily get 2 pair or a straight as well as the flush.
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    01-22-2015 , 11:29 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by illiterat
    Because it doesn't play well multiway.

    Eg. Flop comes: J 7 4

    ...and hero does what?

    HU on this flop you have: a pair; backdoor flush; gutter ball; 2nd nut low with some counterfeit protection; set draw. You can happily bet here vs. a lot of villains, and apply pressure on a lot of turns.

    Multiway you have weak draws and the 2nd nut low draw. You can't bet, and unless you are planning on calling it down with just the 2nd nut low calling isn't good ... so that only leaves one option.

    And this is an ok flop for your hand, esp. if you exclude ones without a 2.

    If you are a fan of limping for multiway pots, I'd much rather do it with A853 where you can more easily get 2 pair or a straight as well as the flush.
    Obviously if you limp into a 5 or 6-way pot with that hand you're folding most flops, but it only costs you 1BB. If you raise and the limpers call, even in position you're still mostly folding this flop because you have to be afraid that someone has A2 and you only have backdoor draws to a high.

    One advantage of narrowing the field is that a set of 3's and even a pair of 3's will hold up more often, but do you really want to play a big pot with that?
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    01-23-2015 , 01:40 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by brian64
    Obviously if you limp into a 5 or 6-way pot with that hand you're folding most flops, but it only costs you 1BB. If you raise and the limpers call, even in position you're still mostly folding this flop because you have to be afraid that someone has A2 and you only have backdoor draws to a high.

    One advantage of narrowing the field is that a set of 3's and even a pair of 3's will hold up more often, but do you really want to play a big pot with that?
    You are thinking negatively. Don't think about all the spots he will make you fold, think about all the spots he is going to be FORCED to check/fold. Then, think about all the times you flop HUGE, you will be mad you limped. When you limp, it's going to ring alarm bells when you "all of a sudden" are comfortable putting your stack in the pot. Force him to expect pressure.

    Last edited by Kroe_bar; 01-23-2015 at 01:57 AM.
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    01-28-2015 , 08:00 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by brian64
    Why raise pre-flop with a hand that plays better multi-way? I think it's the kind of hand you want to see a cheap flop with.
    I've found that in these games it is almost the opposite. people limp call so much and so many hands are multiway that it's best to raise for value with good multiway hands and find decent spots where a raise would be effective with HU type hands
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    01-28-2015 , 08:02 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GoingOrganic
    I like the raise here just to try and push out the button giving us position for the rest of the hand. Depending on the type of read we have on button a called raise may give us more info on his range. In an early position I'm probably just limping.
    And this...

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GoingOrganic
    Personally, I almost always limp in on my button if the blinds are tight players.
    wait wha?
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    01-28-2015 , 08:05 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by illiterat
    Because it doesn't play well multiway.

    Eg. Flop comes: J 7 4

    ...and hero does what?

    HU on this flop you have: a pair; backdoor flush; gutter ball; 2nd nut low with some counterfeit protection; set draw. You can happily bet here vs. a lot of villains, and apply pressure on a lot of turns.

    Multiway you have weak draws and the 2nd nut low draw. You can't bet, and unless you are planning on calling it down with just the 2nd nut low calling isn't good ... so that only leaves one option.

    And this is an ok flop for your hand, esp. if you exclude ones without a 2.

    If you are a fan of limping for multiway pots, I'd much rather do it with A853 where you can more easily get 2 pair or a straight as well as the flush.
    This is true. I'd rather have this hand short handed. I wouldn't mind multiway but your basically looking for a 3, hearts or a 2.
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