Nothing major. Curious what you think though. No reads. Fold river?

I'm still trying to get my head around this game, but there's no way I could ever fold the nut low here. Not sure what I'd do if I didn't have the nut low - say if the 4 was a 5 or a 6. Anyone know what's best there?

play this very strong... you most likely have 3-4 of the pot if the other person has the shared nut low...

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It's between calling and raising. Fold???????

The benefits of raising are that you may make him fold a high-only hand, or you might 3/4 him.

I originally wrote this post not noticing that you'd rivered a high pair, and recommending that it was slightly on the side of calling instead of raising, and you should raise if you had at least bottom pair.

But you have a monster, you should pot it (and if stacks were deeper, at least call if you get repotted).

pot it preflop

Obviously on a super dry board like this, second pair has a lot more value than I thought.

Interesting point(s). Thinking about it I agree with everything except the last part. If deep I should call if repotted? I really ought to be getting quartered then I think. No?

Agree completely.

IMO pot pre to isolate and build pot in position with double suited hand with mucho potential, pot every street and raise river. You will make him fold better a lot and quarter him when he has nut low with you more often than not.

These things come with experience. Two players, a single pair, especially top pair or a high second pair, and nut low is a very strong hand.

Do not let the result deter you - what sometimes happens is not the same as what mostly happens.

I call river and expect to chop the majority of the time.

Highly doubt it. Any hand that would quarter you, I would have expected to lead out or c/r the turn.

i would only call, never want to get quartered on a pot that i know im almost never scooping and rarely 3/4 unless i put him 100% on a missed flush draw

not as enthusiastic as Kittens, but i'd still ship it.
BB's line says: the J helped me.
thing is, it didn't complete anything and it gave YOU second pair, A kicker+nut low.

all in all, value raise is in order here. low risk play that makes you tougher to play against. good in the long run, IMO.

as for preflop, notice UTG limper is shortstacking 20bb. smells like a limp/re-raise to me... i'd also overlimp...

Never ever think about folding is this spot.

I'm wondering shipping is the optimal play at this level. In 5PLO8 and 10PLO8, maybe not.

As a micro level fish myself, I would rarely ship it. If I know the opponent could fold a 2nd nut in this spot, I would do it. I need at least a top pair to ship it.

In this level, there would be another chance soon, and you have already seen that this player in BB makes this type of play - not playing his nut high fast when there might be a strong draw out there. Mark him as it's a sign of a trapper in this level. Next time, if the board pairs on turn and you got nut-flush, bet and raised by him, you could dump your hand without any doubt. If you have made flush and nut low on the river, he could not fold his top set after the pot bet. If he checks, you could still bet pot and he would call, never raise. He is a trapper, and he could not let any of his catches slip away.