damn, HH doesnt seem to work on hand converter from merge./

I am new to O/8.

I hold K-9-3-A . NO SUIT

I CHECK from the BB as 4 players all limp ahead of me

FLOP

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some short stacker with a 1.50$ stack bets

like 2-3people call


and I CALL


- Right here is this a standard fold? A2 has me dominated and A2 can easily be out there. easily have limped in front of me. why do I peel? feel A2 would have RAISED me here right?

TURN J

I check, person behind me checks and then SS bets. Someone else 2bets, another villain calls and I fold.





this is pretty standard right? I guess the reason I posted this is because im being results oriented and the 2 comes on the river.

iirc nobody had the A2 and i think low is chopped with the 6-5-4-2-A which went 3way

No. It's not a standard fold.

True. if five or six opponents were dealt cards, you're probably up against A2** about half of the time, something like that. At a full table it's a bit higher than half, but not quite at 60%.

I think you are saying you peeled because A2** would have raised and therefore since nobody raised, nobody has A2**. The trouble with that line of logic is somebody with A2** might not have raised. (Some opponents don't like to raise with low hands, other opponents like to be tricky).

I think about half the time folding here is a money saver but the other half of the time, you're folding the best low... something like that... a tough decision.

Not exactly. It's hard to fault you for folding to the double big bet but if you're going to see the flop with the hand in the first place, then it's wrong to fold here.

Ouch.

That sentence doesn't make sense.

Buzz

assuming you are playing nl/pl coz you alluded to stack size, it is bad to be thinking that it's worth a call because you're probably getting half. even if you are getting half, you are going to have to risk more money than you will win in order to find out. it's a bad risk reward ratio. so it's a bad gamble. it may be a small amount now, but what about the next 2 streets? save these types of calls for the end when that is the last bet and it isn't a big bet.

you should focus on your high hand more than your low hand, but at the same time put very little or no money in when you have a one way high hand and low is possible unless you are sure the guy has nothing, in which case it's worth a steal. even when you have a low hand and a high hand, you have to be concerned with not having a nut low because when low draw completes and a guy called 2 low card flop, he will find all kinds of ways to beat you because he has nut low a lot and isn't going anywhere.

in this spot you want to put literally 0 chips in. the flop has 3 clubs and 3 consecutive to a straight (enabling the most possible permutations of straights), you cannot improve to a high hand, you have none of that, and you do not even have nut low. the pot is multiway and there's no chance you are bluffing in this situation with any hope of seeing the pot coming your way.

super standard check and fold.

if it's limit it is not so bad. you are usually getting a good price and many players will see the river, but still this is quite an extreme situation, you wouldn't want to stick around with your hand even in limit because you are pulling for a deuce and that will most likely only be for half or worse, sometimes a quarter, although these things are not nearly so bad in limit as in nl/pl.

check/fold flop. as played, check/fold turn.
oop in a small pot and no shot at high, your effective implied odds for continuing with bare second nut low must be very poor.

If I had the bare A2, I call the flop AND the turn, hoping to bring more people along (like you). If it's heads up or 3-way, I might raise to get weak clubs to fold and possibly scoop.

I'm probably folding. I don't like calling for half the pot. Even if we make the wheel we still may be only getting 1/2 the pot.