5 or 6 handed, Laggy villain opens in CO, btn calls, SB calls, hero calls BB with (A7)65.

flop: A84r and it checks through. I am 95% sure the preflop raiser would bet any sort of high or decent low in this spot, so he has likely whiffed. Btn will occasionally make lol slowplays in this spot, but again rather unlikely.

Turn: Qr sb checks, hero bets, villain raises, two folds, hero...

easy defence pre, x/c flop.
after flop was checked through: b/c turn.

don't fold your decent two way hand heads up against a LAG who didn't cbet the flop and now probably just wants to isolate and check behind on the river with a mediocre holding.

it's important stuff to know, and not just against LAGs: when you have a two way hand and the board doesn't enable a flush/wheel, it's very hard to scoop you heads up, as villian would need a specific 4 card hand.

x/c river unimproved, bet if you improve.
well played so far...

I was closer to 3betting the turn than folding, fwiw.

it is almost guaranteed that Q helped him in some way, most likely with QQxx no low or hand like A2(3)Qx ( no low orr weak low). You are most likely freerolling against him imo but I think call is correct.

value against bare QQ/AQ? it actually makes sense. a little weird, but I think I like it...
...and yeah, folding is indeed lol. not very sharp today, sorry...

I was mistakenly thinking if we make a straight his A2 or A3 will be good for low. I now see that this is not the case and as such I think a 3 bet is possible.

This is a spot I always screw up/spaz out with. My instinct is to three-bet under the theory that any 5-6-7 is 50/50 to scoop. But you are very often behind on the high already, an A may not help and your two-pair counterfeit chances (for high) are actually not that great. Call turn, x/c any non-straight river.

I'd call, planning to probably check/call on the river.

What does "lol slowplays" mean?
("Laughing out loud slowplays" doesn't make sense to me).

Buzz

lolslowplay = a terrible play, i.e. checking behind the flop in a multiway pot with a strong hand where you are just burning money by not betting. I only mentioned this because it can effect my decision of whether or not to lead out on the turn, since BTN could conceivably have a strong hand despite the flop check.

Thanks. That makes sense. And indeed BTN folded to the double bet so that it doesn't look like he slow played the flop.

At any rate, that info doesn't change my original response. My guess is Villain raised in order to get heads-up with position on Hero (and was successful). At this point I'd be wary of Villain holding either AQ** or a mediocre low (or both). And of course there are some other possibilities.

At this point, Hero is getting 4:1 implied full pot odds and 1.5:1 implied half pot odds (to call the raise and to check/call the river). And those are the best odds Hero can get. (In other words, Hero does not improve his odds by raising).

With those crummy middle cards in his hand (the six and seven), Hero can't like high cards much and he can't like low cards, which might enable a wheel for his opponent, much either.

So Hero likes fives, sixes, sevens, and nines, a total of 13 cards. Then he must dislike the other 31 cards (they add up to 44 on the turn). 31 to 13 is about 2.4:1 (against) in "hand odds."

Making the comparison (implied pot odds to hand odds),
• if we just look at implied full pot odds, Hero has better than 2.4:1, which is favorable.
• but if we just look at implied half full pot odds, Hero has worse than 2.4:1, which is unfavorable.

But Villain needs both better high cards, implying a set, two pairs, or an ace with a better kicker... and also better low cards to scoop Hero. Villain could have it both ways, but it's more likely (despite the raise or maybe because of it, depending on Villain) he doesn't.

Anyhow, I'd call, planning to check/call on the river regardless of the river card.

Buzz

This is one of my favorite hands in awhile, and the more I think about it the more I think a 3-bet is right. We feel pretty dumb when we walk into something like QQ36 or a weird slowplay with AA23 or whatever, but I think those are actually very rare in this spot.

let me explain villian's following range:

-top 35% of hands - based on his CO open (he's laggy).

-doesn't have any of the following combos: AA,88,44,A8,23,25,356,567,A35 - based on failing to c-bet the flop (no reason to believe he slowplays/doesn't bet decent hands).

-has at least one the following combos: AQ,QQ,AJT: (2,3,4,5,6,7,9,K),35Q,KQJT,QJT8,35TJ,A56,A57,A67,A 4: (2,3,5,6,7,KJ,KT,JT)
for AJT combo, villian needs to also have at least a 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9 or K; for A4 combo, villian needs to also have at least a 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, KJ, KT or JT - based on his turn isolation raise

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation

334,160 trials (Exhaustive)

board: A84Q

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
35%!(AA,88,44,A8,23,25,356,567,A35): (AQ,QQ,AJT: (2,3,4,5,6,7,9,K),35Q,KQJT,QJT8,35TJ,A56,A57,A67,A4: (2,3,5,6,7,KJ,KT,JT))	43.99%	13,933	250,292	12,144	28,898	17,500
Ah7h6s5d	56.01%	60,163	71,724	12,144	287,762	17,500

I call and see what the river gives me. Though, I might re-raise if I think villain has all high cards. Because I'm such a nit, I'd probably just call. So the correct play is probably to raise. Glgl.

I'd be interested to get an idea of how much equity we should look for to 3 bet here.

How do we react to a 4 bet? This seems important, because it is the most obvious downside to 3-betting if we thought we had say 51% equity (I see that by the analysis here we likely have more).

Shouldn't we discount the broadway wrap hands here? Just seems really retarded for him to raise those on the turn.