SB is 58/7 over 55, UTG+1 is 36/0 over 14. No relevant notes.

Just some background--I'm a micro stakes LHE player and lurk mostly in that forum. The reading I've done on LO8 is in PLO Poker by Jeff Hwang. Besides that I've lurked here a couple times, read a couple library links, and watched a couple DC LO8 videos. Also played 4/8 w/ HK live at Mohegan Sun at PD in PA to success (super loose-passive limping fest).

So obviously AA23 rainbow is sexy to raise with, we'd like to be suited but its a strong hand. Flop isn't too sexy, get a donk from a loose-passive EP and then a raise. Getting 8:1 to call, does our backdoor NLD + overpair give us enough to call?

How many outs would the BDNLD yield us? There's... four 8s, four 7s, four 5s, four 4s, three 3s, three 2s, and two aces for a low... twenty-four cards that we have to hit twice so I'd say roughly 25% chance by the river that we win half the pot... the two aces will give us a boat, 2 outs twice equals about 8% chance to win half the pot on the river... so roughly, we're at 12.5% + 4% = 16.5% equity, no? I'm sure this is an uber simplified and wrong way to calculate this but it seems ok to my logic...

Thoughts? Pretty newbish post IMO, I understand if no-one wants to educate a fish like me.


Merge - $0.25/$0.50 Hi/Lo - Omaha Hi/Lo - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+2: $13.86
MP: $12.55
MP+1: $10.66
Hero (CO): $31.34
BTN: $15.84
SB: $11.28
BB: $3.18
UTG: $8.29
UTG+1: $7.90

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 3 2 A A

UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.50, BTN calls $0.50, SB calls $0.40, BB calls $0.25, UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25

Flop: ($3.00, 6 players) 6 9 9
SB bets $0.25, fold, UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 raises to $0.50, Hero...?

don't use the word "sexy" twice to describe a poker hand.

you're not getting nearly 8:1. there's a possible jam behind you, both on the flop and the turn.
in order to make your hand, you need to see both the turn and the river. therefore, you need to compare the final pot to the amount you need to call on two streets.
that's called effective odds, as opposed to immediate odds.

fold, facing a cold raise. call if it were only one small bet to you.

the 25% isn't an awful guess, its a little high. but using the 25% to arrive at 12.5% equity is a problem because it assumes you get all the low pot equity when you make low, and although every time you make a low you do make the nut low there will still be times that you share the low pot equity with someone else. therefore you have to factor in receiving less then 50% of the pot equity for the low.


with regards to using the '4x' multiplier on outs on the flop, it's less accurate in omaha then it is in holdem because the remaining deck is shorter in omaha then in holdem.
but the bigger mistake you made with regard to determining the equity from those 2 outs is that you considered all instances of hitting an ace as worth just half the pot. when the turn/river combo is Ace along with a high card, there won't be a low and so the pot won't be split. in those instances when the ace gives you the winning hand you get 100% pot equity(not 50%) for hitting an ace.

edit**of course if you are assuming someone has a 9, which it seems you are when you assume you need an Ace, then when the ace hits along with a 9 the ace doesn't win,

very 'sexy' hand. let her sexiness go. You fall into the mistake of many O8 players. Trying to go runner runner for half.

Look for a better spot.

+1 as usual