Originally Posted by Sirocko
Hero is BB with J
Am I calling too loose PF?
It's a four handed game, a very aggressive four handed game.
I must confess that I don't have much experience playing in four handed games that are this aggressive.
Even in a four handed game, I still want to see a minimum of two cards on the flop that will be useful to me. If we crudely think of flops with two or three hearts or with two or three aces, kings, queens, jacks, tens, or nines as flops that contain a minimum of two useful cards, then without the subtractions there are a maximum of
20*19*18/6+20*19*28/4+11*10*9/6+11*10*37/2=6000 out of
48*47*46/6=17296 possible flops.
If we do the necessary subtractions (I duplicated flops with two or three hearts and two or three high cards and there are some flops, QQ*, for example, that it's hard to like with Hero's starting hand. Let's say I might like roughly one third of the possible flops, flops where I'll catch two or three cards I can use.
Thus I really will want to fold a minimum of at least two flops out of three with this starting hand. And since there's no guarantee I'll do well with the one out of three flops I'd think of as being very playable, I wouldn't want to play this hand at all in Omaha-8, unless at least four opponents were also seeing the flop and then were playing loosely after the flop.
But you don't even have
four opponents. You only have three opponents and one of them folds before the raising even starts.
What that means to me is Hero will have to play this hand differently than usual. Hero cannot require at least two cards of the flop to work with the cards in his hand. Hero has to play flops where only one card fits. Hero can successfully play that way in a game of Texas hold 'em, because it's less likely (than in a four cards in hand game) that an opponent will find two cards in the flop that fit with his/her hand. But in Omaha or Omaha-8, there's a substantially better chance, about six times better, I think, that an opponent will
find a two card fit with the flop.
So Hero, if he sees the flop with this hand, has to play one card flop fits... and that's very dangerous... especially if your opponents know the game better than you do. You have to be willing to gamble very aggressively.
I'm seeing the flop with this J
hand at the tables I normally play, where more opponents also see the flop and then are inclined to continue with hands better folded. But in this four handed game in which you have found yourself, I'm folding to the double raise. And then I'm probably leaving the game, looking for better pickings.
To specifically answer your questions,
Am I calling too loose PF?
Yes. I think so.
Is calling postflop to dangerous risking to get squezzed here?
Yes. I think so. You're out of position. (squeezed)