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Preflop: Hero is CO with 9, Q, 9, Q
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB checks

No reads on players. So, although this is a safe fold according to good HIGH ONLY HANDS REQUIREMENTS while still learning, I limp in with the clear intentions to fold, when i don't spike a good draw, or a set. Can´t flop anything else anyway If I decide to enter the, would it be better to raise in order to ( try to) steal the BTN? Also i might represent a low hand that way, when somebody has a poor high and will bump the pot for possible two lows as i´m not continuing, when i don´t flop a set or a really good draw.

Flop: (6 SB) 5, 4, Q (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, 1 fold, MP1 calls, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, MP1 calls

It´s basically everything i can hope from a flop, although two wheel cards are out. In my mind I have to raise here to protect my best high and to price the low draws and the flush draw.

Turn: (8 BB) 7 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, Button raises, 2 folds, MP1 calls, Hero 3-bets, Button caps, MP1 calls, Hero calls

Turn linecheck: I raised to get value from made lows, but I think I was wrong, because it was a limped pot and a str8 can certainly be there. Anyway, after the capping i´m sure it´s there, but i have helped to build a big pot and i have 10 outs (although someone can beat me with quads when i make a full house) for half the pot in the river. If I don´t improve iI´am folding. Or should i call when a complete blank i.e. J hits. I think not, because of the limped pot and therefore a str8 possibility out there

River: (20 BB) 5 (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets

Here i bet out, so a possible str8 doesn´t check it down. And if along comes a raise i intend to just call, or would it be better to reraise again when both of them stay in when one of them makes the raising and the other one is cruising along with the low.

How would you have played the hand. Especially the turn and the river.


TY!

How comes you moved up? Do you have the necessary 300 bets?

Flop is perfect.

Turn, you do not do this. You don't speculate that the straight isn't out there - you expect instead that it is. So you check. What would've happened if you checked is, the button would've bet -> 9 bbs in the pot, the blinds might have called, and MP1 would've called for sure. So you would be looking at a pot of 10 to 12 big bets in the pot, or $20-$24. Lets say it was $20 when it comes back round to you. Assuming someone made the straight, that means they have a low (even 68 makes a low). So you have to calculate whether its correct to call to win half the pot. Its about 5 to 1 to make a full house on the river. Since it costs you $2 to win $10 plus the extra bets on the river (you have implied odds of at least another $2), this is a profitable call as long as you DO NOT call the last bet on the river without making a full house or quads (that would mean your implied odds on the turn are now negated).

River, you got lucky and hit. If I was 100% sure the BTN would bet, I would checkraise. Looks like he's got a straight and a decent low, but you can't guarantee that. I would just lead out unless the BTN was overly aggressive. Since its a 3 way pot, he might not bet just a nut low (some people don't, i feel incorrectly) so you can't take that risk.

Oh and preflop is fine. Don't raise. Also remember to not go crazy if you hit a straight or flush - its your sets that will make you the most money (if u fill up). But if people show weakness, you have to bet non nut hands - like a queen high flush or king high straight using your Q9. You can see how having position with a high only hand helps you there.

thank you
and there was no .50/1 tables, so i played 1/2 although i am seriously underrolled for it. Wrong thing to do, i know, but somehow deceived myself to do it. Should renew my exclusion

I have done similar things before, and yeah its a bad idea. I know I find it hard to accept when I want to play poker that if there are no tables running I should go do something else, but you'll be much more disciplined and motivated if you stick to your gameplan and only play the proper stakes you said you were going to play when you started out.

Just watch TV, go skateboarding, go to the pub, watch PokerTube, post on 2+2, go for a run or whatever. Although I wouldn't be thought of to think it, there is more to life than poker!

Remember there are always sit n gos or you can open a new table at the proper stakes. Many of the sit n go players are worse at the game than at the cash tables.

Yeah, and that´s not an excuse but midweek i have so little time to play. I´m occupied from 8-4, then at the moment i have excessive training because another competition coming 11t of April and usually when i get back from it, i´m so tired that I eat something and go straight to bed.

But i know for a fact that if i should hit a bad run of cards or some sessions with ****ty self-discipline i could really blow my tiny roll as me being a massive tiltmonkey, so i will renew my exclusion.
thanks

I don't know. After two callers with BTN, SB and BB yet to ace, I wouldn't generally raise with it. I tend to get stuck in the pot when the pot gets too big. I don't want to get stuck in the pot, because of the size of the pot, with a set of nines (or even a set of queens) and be playing a second best hand. True. I don't like those two wheel cards and I don't like the two clubs. Any club enables a club flush. Any low card that doesn't pair the board enables low and a straight. Any two high cards that don't pair the board enable a straight. It's impossible for your set of queens to be the nuts on the river. By the time you reach the river, either the board will pair and your full house (or quads) will probably win, or a straight (or flush) will be possible. Your set of queens may still win if unimproved (if the board doesn't pair), but it doesn't look good.

Thus it's not at all everything I would be hoping for in a flop. I like raising in an attempt to limit the field. But then all four active opponents call. You got four to one fresh money odds for the whole pot and 1.5 to 1 fresh money odds for half the pot. In retrospect, I don't think it's enough. Now you're more likely to get stuck in the pot (because of the size of the pot). But I don't blame you for trying. I hate this turn card. I don't bet this turn. I especially don't jam. I think you're stuck in the pot for one more bet on the river. No. No. No. (Just my immediate reaction). I hope you ended up winning.
Edit 3-28-09: I made a mistake. I remember responding to the hand but now that I look at it, I can't remember what I was thinking. I must have misread the river, maybe thought it was the 6 instead of the 5. I have no idea how I did that (or if that is what I did). Obviously the 5 is a great river card for Hero, and after MP1 checks, Hero should bet.

My apologies for my error.

Buzz
• If I play this starting hand, I probably limp before the flop
• and then I truly hate this flop, even though Hero has flopped top set. I'd try to read my opponents. SB checked, BB bet, and MP1 called. BTN is yet to act and then the action is on SB. I hate it. But I probably raise, just like you did, to try to knock out BTN and SB. When that tactic doesn't work, it's tough. I spent a while making some coffee, trying to think of something better, but I couldn't.
• Then the turn is horrible. If I thought I could get someone to fold who might end up beating me for high, I'd bet the turn, even though I hate the 7 for Hero's hand on the turn. But since it doesn't look like that is going to happen, I check. Probably BTN bets and is called by everybody, and I would call too. I hate this line of play, but I'd want to get through the hand as cheaply as possible.
• On the river, the pot would be too big to fold to a single bet. A double bet would be a difficult decision.
Edit 3-28-09: That doesn't make any sense to me now. I made a mistake, but I don't remember what exactly I was thinking. Obviously the 5 is a great river card for Hero and after MP1 checks, a bet from Hero seems proper.

My apologies for my error (blunder). Thanks to goldenbowl for pointing it out to me.

Buzz

Agee with buzz cept river,

fold pre only the very best play this profitably

Having played flop is horrible not perfect by any stetch of imagination, raise flop is a must u wont get out any genuine draws but u dont want muppets with ajk10 playing cos ur wanting 2 high cards u need to get out anyone with nothing who would make a straight or overset if u hit the cards u want for scoop (folding would be close to raising if u suspect u would get as many callers as u did this would be by far the best option) calling would be a cardinal sin.

Turn made me feel sick its not the worst card for u but its about 70% of the way up the bad scale, ur action should be check call 1 bet, if its check raise reraise again fold ur getting jammed up. To bet get reraise and caller which is normally gonna be a straight and a low and then reraise is horrific.

River this is where i disagree with buzz

having sucked out u must bet to extract maximum value(still not nearly as much as the value u have given away throughout the hand hence the fold pre and flop oppinions), theres significant chance button has nut low and straight so might well venture a raise with early having nut low only enabling u to get 3 bets in each. if u get owned by quad thats life, im looking to get as many bets in as possible on river to clear as much of my negative ev play throughout the hand as possible.

Thanks. I made a mistake. I remember responding to the hand but now that I look at it, I can't remember what it was. I must have misread the river, maybe thought it was the 6 instead of the 5. I have no idea how I did that (or if that is what I did). I'll go back and amend my response.

Thanks. My apologies for my error.

Buzz

No worries, and thank you both.

I remember myself thinking about your river no,no that the quads must be there often, if you say that I can´t/should not bet the river.

I think the one thing you need to look at to improve your game the most, is that that even though you hit the set, that is FAR from the perfect flop. You can safely assume that you are up against multiple straight draws, a flush draw, and low draws. Reading the texture of flops is very important, and you have to realize that the cards to come that are good are few and far between.