riblet so would keep his mouth shut...

If the juicy dude at the other end doesn't see the value of his hand, then he doesn't deserve to take any part of it...



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i took a decent pot off a decent mate doing this once...
and I would do it again...

like a texas road gambler...
get the loot and get out of town

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I'm embarrassed that this is even being debated. Poker players are the nut worst people.

Yep, right up there with hitler and stalin.

Did I draw any comparison to Hitler and Stalin? That's a pretty weak argument. This is just such a black and white issue. No player should be deprived of a portion of the pot when they table their cards and it is every player's responsibility to make sure this happens.

Case in point: Greg Jamison deprived me of half the pot in the 5k O8 when he corrected the dealer pushing me the low half of the pot with a live 2 when the other guy had a low that wasn't copied. I thanked him and we moved on.

I make sure to read my hand right. It's the other players/dealers responsibility to read the rest.

Speak up. Correct dealers errors for tabled cards.

Have you ever seen an outfielder admit to trapping a fly ball that was called out in baseball?

Have you ever seen a basketball player call a travel on himself?

Certain games like golf go by the honor system because no one can possibly see every infraction except the player himself...but in poker, when all the hands are tabled, and everyone involved including a dealer whose job it is to push pots the correct way can see exactly what the cards are, I don't understand why it's my job to correct mistakes in my favor. Not the most honest thing to do, but not immoral either.

I am going to guess that the people who think like the poster above don't play a whole lot of live poker.

Like I said above, this topic has been discussed many times in the B&M forum, and the regulars there have explained why doing things like taking a pot that you're not entitled to is wrong in much better terms than I could ever come up with. If you're truly interested in the topic, you should read some of the threads in that forum on the topic and similar.

guess again

To the people who think that it's wrong to keep your mouth shut- How about if I just decide I'm never going to even look at anyone else's hand when the dealer tells me I have the winner. Is that "immoral"?

If the hands are tabled and you see a mistake, you should speak up. You are playing the lowest of low limit O8 games, and many players and dealers aren't good at reading complicated hands.

Cards speak in public cardrooms. If you profit from a hand you know has been misread, you are violating the rules, and are, by definition, cheating.

I thought the discussion is about taking a pot pushed to you when you know it's not yours, so I am not really sure what this has to do with this thread other than obfuscating the fact that taking money when you know you're not entitled to it is a really crappy way to play live poker.

No.

No.

Not exactly. That is, I don't think golf goes entirely by the honor system. That is there are officials at tournaments and I think they enforce the rules and keep track of strokes. (I haven't paid much attention so that I'm not sure exactly how they do that, but I think they do).

I think it's a form of cheating, maybe a bit like peeking at an opponents cards.

I suppose you could argue that it's your opponent's responsibility to guard his cards, but I'm thinking about another opponent seated across the table. If the guy next to you holds his cards in such a way that you can crane your neck to see what they are, then if you take a peek, you have an advantage over a player seated across the table who can't crane his neck enough to also peek.

There are all sorts of shades of this. Maybe you just need to turn your head a bit to see someone's cards (while an opponent seated at the other side of the table doesn't have this extra knowledge).

Or if the guy seated next to you opens up his hand so as to flash his cards, you weren't peeking, and there was no way for you to know they guy would flash his cards, then was that cheating? It doesn't seem like it.

I don't know... When you play in a public casino, you sometimes encounter opponents who would cheat you if they could... And maybe one of your opponents actually does cheat. Does that make it OK for you to cheat if you can?

How do we even agree on what is cheating and what isn't cheating?

I think it depends on your motivation.

Obviously if you fail to see an error by the dealer there is no way you can correct it.

But doesn't intentionally not checking so as to subvert the rule amount to the same thing? No one will know if you see an error but fail to report it. No one will know if you intentionally don't check to see if there's an error so as to subvert the rule. I don't see much difference.

Buzz