Limit o8 regs thread

[drnkyourmlkshk]

This thread will allow limit o8 players a place in the o8 community to communicate freely amongst each other about any subject limit o8 related.

If you have a question about a player, a hand, a site, a cardroom etc etc if the question or comment is strictly limit o8 related please feel free to post it here.

Regardless of how long you have been playing, how many hands you have played or how big or small your current limit or past limits. Please feel free to brag, vent, post hands, challenge people, ask about regs and partake in discussions surrounding the game of limit Omaha 8 or better.

Here's to help unifying the limit o8 community and helping new, inexperienced players become better players and helping the game we all love grow.
Milk

[plaaynde]

Originally Posted by drnkyourmlkshk

This thread will allow limit o8 players a place in the o8 community to communicate freely amongst each other about any subject limit o8 related.

If you have a question about a player, a hand, a site, a cardroom etc etc if the question or comment is strictly limit o8 related please feel free to post it here.

Regardless of how long you have been playing, how many hands you have played or how big or small your current limit or past limits. Please feel free to brag, vent, post hands, challenge people, ask about regs and partake in discussions surrounding the game of limit Omaha 8 or better.

Here's to help unifying the limit o8 community and helping new, inexperienced players become better players and helping the game we all love grow.
Milk

I play .05/.10 at this stage and am serious about the game! I started up by winning 500 BB at Play money, after that 500 BB at .02/.04. Now .05/.10 feels like a challenge. That is about how things are meant to be!

[NickA44]

Buy In question :

What's a standard buy in for Limit O8?
I've been playing a lot of live 4-8 and have bought in for $100 to $200 and also 8-16 buying in from 200-400. I know in NLHE you want a 100bbs+ , but I have no clue for Limit Omaha , or really limit anything.
Both games have a 1/2 kill if that matters.

[cjs]

I'm a reg in the 1/2 6 max games and I have a general question. I play against some big lags 60/40 types. I usually try and sit to their left. My question is do you iso 3 bet wider knowing it's a good chance to be capped preflop or tighten up and 3 bet only your premium hands?

One of the disadvantages of the 3 bet iso is that it usually doesn't work. It can be 3 or 4 handed to the flop for 3 bets.

[sickofitall]

Originally Posted by NickA44

Buy In question :

What's a standard buy in for Limit O8?
I've been playing a lot of live 4-8 and have bought in for $100 to $200 and also 8-16 buying in from 200-400. I know in NLHE you want a 100bbs+ , but I have no clue for Limit Omaha , or really limit anything.
Both games have a 1/2 kill if that matters.

in limit games with this betting structure and a 4bet cap the maximum # of bets you can put into the pot is 12 (when every street gets capped). so this is the minimum you should have in front of you at all times. adjust accordingly with the kill. if betting is uncapped, like in HU pots live, you should put up even more in case some real goofballs are at the table.

[wackjob]

Originally Posted by cjs

One of the disadvantages of the 3 bet iso is that it usually doesn't work. It can be 3 or 4 handed to the flop for 3 bets.

You answered your own question. It is not an ISO 3bet if you know that you will not isolate. It is in fact, if your hand is on the weaker side, more of a spew 3bet that creates a large pot that will be difficult to get away from if you get a little taste of it.

[cjs]

So wack your in the camp of playing tighter against a lag.

The trouble is even with an expanded range on my 3 bet - it is better then his range.

[top10Percentalot]

Originally Posted by wackjob

You answered your own question. It is not an ISO 3bet if you know that you will not isolate. It is in fact, if your hand is on the weaker side, more of a spew 3bet that creates a large pot that will be difficult to get away from if you get a little taste of it.

This ties in directly with some concepts I've been thinking about lately. Specifically preflop raising with small/medium equity edges preflop. When you do this, you gain a small edge now, but you complicate matters for yourself down the road because often there will be a lot of close equity situations on every street.

This includes the 13:1 river decision that you feel like you have to call with top 2 pair in case both guys were going low. Folding in big pots sucks especially when you created them.

In our shorthanded situation, when you show a 60/40 that you are capable of doing a lot of betting and raising and then river folding, it has the red flag/bull effect.

So, bloating a pot with a slight edge preflop ends up increasing your variance exponentially because of the multiple high variance situations you have created for yourself on every street.

Some questions to ask yourself before incorporating such plays into your game would sound like this:

-Is this guy folding any flops?

-is this guy folding any street?

-will he make any hugely profitable folds in a bloated pot with air?

-will he cause me to make any hugely unprofitable folds in a bloated pot with the bottom of my range?

-do i want to flip 50 coins with a player like this in the next hour?

-do i want to be in the same game as this player?

-do i have a choice?

-should i adopt some of the same tendencies as this player and create a new gear to use against other regs?

[drnkyourmlkshk]

Originally Posted by NickA44

Buy In question :

What's a standard buy in for Limit O8?
I've been playing a lot of live 4-8 and have bought in for $100 to $200 and also 8-16 buying in from 200-400. I know in NLHE you want a 100bbs+ , but I have no clue for Limit Omaha , or really limit anything.
Both games have a 1/2 kill if that matters.

I have a ton of experience in making a mistake in this area when I first started playing live with hks. I also play 8-16 hk live every week and I used to buy in for 300-350 but I'd lose a couple of bugger pots and would feel very stuck, having list half my buy in in a couple of hands.

I did some math and decided upon 30 bbs for non kill games (480..500 for 8-16) and 25 bbs for hk games. Rebuying sucks for so many reasons obviously but starting with a full 30 bbs in front of you it'll be easier to avoid this.

I've also noticed even though one has nothing to do with the other. The more I buy in for the more my table dynamic changes. I have less people looking to gamble with me. Has anyone else experienced this as well?

[Omaha Chris]

Originally Posted by NickA44

Buy In question :

What's a standard buy in for Limit O8?
I've been playing a lot of live 4-8 and have bought in for $100 to $200 and also 8-16 buying in from 200-400. I know in NLHE you want a 100bbs+ , but I have no clue for Limit Omaha , or really limit anything.
Both games have a 1/2 kill if that matters.

$100 in a 4/8 HK is not enough. That's not even enough for 3/6! At least, not enough to come to the casino with.

I only buy in for $100 in games that use a $1 chip (like the Lucky Chances game), and I have a specific goal in mind when i do: to scoop a big one early. I don't ever want it to look like I have a lot of chips, and 2 racks looks like a lot. If you start winning on that 2 racks, then it looks like you're kicking the game's butt. So try to double off the first rack early, and if you can't, if you go down to $40 or whatever, go ahead and get the second rack. The point is that you're buying in with the full expectation of buying another rack within the first hour.

If the game is using racks of $2s, buying in for $100 is silly. Unless you want to create a "desperate/degen" image, which maybe you do.

In general, a 20-30 BB (notwithstanding the kill) stack is what you want. You don't want to get caught in short-stack situations where you can't get full value, especially in Omaha, so having that many BBs generally keeps you out of the red. And if you find yourself losing the whole 20-30 BB, it's probably not your day (for whatever reason) and time to go anyway. 30 is kinda the magic number!

[drnkyourmlkshk]

Originally Posted by plaaynde

I play .05/.10 at this stage and am serious about the game! I started up by winning 500 BB at Play money, after that 500 BB at .02/.04. Now .05/.10 feels like a challenge. That is about how things are meant to be!

This is awesome! I played play chips last month while showing a friend who had never played for money what o8 is and the betting etc. I lost 2600 at 30/60! I don't think he'll be playing any o8 soon

[wackjob]

Originally Posted by cjs

So wack your in the camp of playing tighter against a lag.

The trouble is even with an expanded range on my 3 bet - it is better then his range.

I never said play tighter. You said you would try to isolate the lag and it wouldn't work - this means you are now in a 3-way or potentially 4-6 way pot since the isolation 3-bet is not working. I'm not really worried what the lag has, I'm worried with what others are calling 2-3 bets cold with and with them having position on me some of the times.

[Rush17]

Originally Posted by NickA44

Buy In question :

What's a standard buy in for Limit O8?
I've been playing a lot of live 4-8 and have bought in for $100 to $200 and also 8-16 buying in from 200-400. I know in NLHE you want a 100bbs+ , but I have no clue for Limit Omaha , or really limit anything.
Both games have a 1/2 kill if that matters.

What makes you sometimes buy in for $100 and other times $200? It's limit poker, you should always buy in for the $200 if that is your max desire.

If you buy in for too little and you wind up getting really shortstacked...usually what happens is you lose value and you are unable to protect your hand.

Some players may feel that if they don't have much in front of them then they'll lose that much less when they don't win the hand, but, I feel that's a mistake because you shouldn't be putting your money in there unless you're putting it in really good, and if you're putting it in good, then wouldn't it make sense to make sure you have enough $ in front of you to gain the maxiimum value out of the hand?

If you bought in for $1000, it wouldn't have the impact that a NL game would have because you'd never be risking your whole stack on one hand anyway.

In a $4/8 limit O8 game with a half kill...I would buy in for no less than $400.

[drnkyourmlkshk]

I'm supposed to be heading to LA in September. I was thinking of checking out the cardrooms out there. I play 10-20 basically live, will this be available and what can I expect in LA?

I played in las Vegas a few times and always thought the games were very soft but crazy aggro this was at the Bellagio. Anyone willing to give brick and mortar reports from around the country would be very cool.

[Omaha Chris]

Originally Posted by Rush17

In a $4/8 limit O8 game with a half kill...I would buy in for no less than $400.

33 kill pot BBs, FIFTY regular BBs?

Whoah there.

If you lose anywhere near that many BBs in one sitting at a live 4/8 LO8 game something is very wrong...

I have yet to see any player buy that many chips. They'll bring color-up denominations WITH them and put them on the table with their stack, but I've never seen anyone buy that many outright.