Hi guys,
I'm playing Pot Limit Omaha Hi Lo on FT. But I can't find any player on medium or high stakes. I checked the other servers too but no luck. I'd prefer to play in 9 person tables but there are no players after 0,5 / 1. Do you know any casinos in Las Vegas or Los Angeles offering higher stakes?
Thank you.

Sure, but they're not pot-limit-Omaha-8. Instead they're fixed-limit-Omaha-8. Last time I checked at Hollywood Park casino (Inglewood, in Los Angeles County, CA) there was a $40/$80 fixed-limit full table game (9 players) with a waiting list, in addition to the regular $20/$40 Omaha-8/Stud-8 mixed game, which also was full with a waiting list. I'll bet the other big L.A. County casinos (The Bike, Commerce, Hawaiian Gardens) also have high stakes Omaha-8 games going regularly too. But I think they're probably fixed-limit rather than pot-limit.

Buzz

Thank you for your help. But all tables are really fixed limit? I can't find any pot limit tables in casinos even for low limits?

You're welcome.

Yes. So far as I know.

They'll get a pot limit Omaha-8 game going somewhere in Las Vegas around the time of the WSOP. When that happens I expect it will get announced here in this forum.

From time to time a pot limit Omaha-8 game springs up here and there, but the pot-limit games do not seem able to sustain themselves. At least that's my observation. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me.

I don't think so.

In all the time I've been playing in brick and mortar casinos, except for special events, such as the annual 2+2 party in Las Vegas, I've never actually seen a pot-limit Omaha-8 game in a brick and mortar casino.

Brick and mortar casinos are in business to make money for the owners. If they were allowed to do it, the L.A. poker casinos would, I believe, replace poker tables with slot machines. Casinos that do offer poker prefer the much faster and thus more profitable (for the casino) Texas hold 'em to any type of Omaha-8. Casinos would have to be able to make as much money from a pot-limit Omaha-8 table as they do from a fixed-limit Omaha-8 table in order to replace fixed-limit Omaha-8 with pot-limit Omaha=8. I don't think they can do that. More importantly, casino management doesn't think they can do that.

Naturally higher skilled players prefer pot-limit to fixed-limit. (They win the money of the unskilled players faster, sharing less with rake for casinos). For the very same reason (sharing less with rake for casinos), casino management prefers fixed-limit Omaha-8 to pot-limit Omaha-8.

Casino management naturally wants a game that will drone on steadily generating rake every day, not a game that will bust in a few hours (or less) when the skilled players relatively quickly take all the money from the unskilled players.

But even when you do convince a floor manager to start a list for pot-limit, my experience is people do not flock to sign up.

The skill differential shows too much in a pot-limit Omaha-8 game.

Buzz

u can find some nice high stakes o/8 short handed limit on stars, and there are some nl o/7 games as well.

Hi Buzz,

How often do these games run? Is there a lot of action? Are the players all pros?

Mr. Omaha_freak13,

I've only seen a couple of good live PL O8 games in the last 3-4 years. The ones I have seen went for a few sessions and then died abruptly. I think people are more aware and are afraid of risking their entire stacks on one hand.

My opinion is that it is better to play fixed limit, or to put PLO8 in a mixed game with PLO, HE, TD, etc.

Thank you all for your great help. I just have one more question: Live Omaha High only tables are fixed limit too?

No. The last time I played live Omaha High (Hawaiian Gardens casino) the game was no-limit.

Buzz

Hi Mac. The $20/$40 mixed game has been running for a long time and seems very stable. I've seen the $40/$80 pure Omaha-8 game more than once but I don't know how regular it is. I have to go out with my wife now to buy a new dishwasher. Then tonight I'm due at a private game in Redondo Beach. I'll check out Hollywood Park casino on the way down to Redondo Beach and then post early tomorrow morning to let you know what Omaha-8 they were playing in the high stakes section.

Buzz

Incredible. I, somehow, have seen something regarding PLO8 that Buzz hasn't! Too bad it's in the middle of Illinois. I mean, not even in Chicagoland. But the Pair-a-Dice in East Peoria, IL runs PLO8 every Saturday night and Tuesday night, and sometimes on Thursdays. I've only played the Saturday night, but there's a long list to get in on that game.

Hi Mack = Stopped by Hollywood Park on my way to private game in Redondo Beach. There were two full tables plus a waiting list for the mixed $20/$40 half and half (seven stud-8 and Omaha-8). Sign up list only for $40/$80 pure Omaha-8 game. Didn't look like it was going to make tonight.

Seems to me the $20/$40 half and half (seven stud-8 and Omaha-8) game runs every day. I don't know how often the $40/$80 pure Omaha-8 game makes.

Buzz

Hey Buzz, Thanks for the info. Hope you did well in Redondo!

Has anyone Put I any time in this 20/40 mix game? Is it full of tough Players or a little of both. I feel very confident in my 08 game and would enjoy playing in a 20/40 game but have not put in any serious work or time into stud8 although I would like to learn. Just don't want to sit down at this game if there aren't that many soft spots and I'm getting my stud education at 40 bucks a card.

Appreciate any insight guys. Thanks in advance!

In my opinion you need a bunch of stud8 experience before you sit in live 20/40 or you'll get pushed around by all the players, good and bad.

I played a lot of 20/40 and 15/30 mixed at last year's WSOP (probably like 60 hours or so of it). It was always O8, Stud 8, badugi, 2-7 TD, baduecey, and few other games. Games were pretty juicy and lot of splashing. I wouldn't say they were terribly tough and I lot of players were there for the gamble. The play was especially weak in the draw games IMO.

The bike said they are going to try to run a plo game sometime soon

1/2 PLO8 runs at least 5 days a week at Foxwoods in Connecticut for anyone in the northeast.

FWIW we got some $1-2 PLO8 going as part of a mixed game Saturday in Detroit, and there's a player i know from on here who's managed to set up live PLO8 games 2-3 times a week at the Michigan charity cardrooms (sort of a middle ground between a well-run home game and a casino).

Just out of curiosity, do those play in $10 and $5 chips, respectively? I assume the $5s are all yellow in LA County, but what color are the $10s?

And since this thread appeared to morph into a "Where to play LO8?" thread.... is there really a thread with a list of all live LO8 games? Should that go here or in B&M, or both?

I actually just came on here to ask about the LO8 scene in LA. I might be going out there sometime soon and would love to see a list. AKQJ10, I do not believe there is a thread on here yet for that, but how would you feel about setting something like that up BUZZ?

John L.

I guess. There's some mixing.

$10 chips are brown, as I recall. But I don't know if that's the same everywhere in LA county. (I mostly play in blue or green chip games myself).

Both seems right to me. I don't read the B&M forum.

Buzz

I don't want any more responsibility than I already have. In fact, less would be better for me.

Exactly what games and limits are played changes from time to time. Keeping a list updated would be a chore. I'm not interested.

Been a while since I've played, or even visited, some places. But if you have a specific question about Omaha-8 play in any Los Angeles area casino, I can probably find the answer for you.

Better yet, post your question in this forum as a general question and maybe someone else will know.

Buzz

Bump

Does this 20 40 or at Hollywood park still run daily??

We play 5/10 PLO8 on wednesday and 5/5 PLO high on Fridays . Game has run for years and is not going away. Its 5 Min from my house at Lake Elsinore Casino

That is in riverside county by corona about 45 min from commerce

Is the game usually full Wednesdays? If so, by what time? Whats the min/max buy in and does it play deep and run late? Nice action?

I will be out in Sand Diego in the next month or two and from the looks of it, this is only an hour drive away so I would come check it out.