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05-26-2014 , 08:44 AM
Just for making life a bit easier
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Originally Posted by Buzz
I'll use ProPokerTools convention of enclosing cards of the same suit in the same parentheses. Here are the different possibilities:

(A5J9)
(A5J)9 = (A59)J = (AJ9)5
(J95)A
(A5)J9 = (AJ)95 = (A9)J5
(J9)A5 = (J5)A9
(95)AJ


In the all-in fest at the hypers 6-max any suitedness is adding significant value. The default is of course single suited. Non-suited is not very common, bad. Double suited: very nice.

Last edited by plaaynde; 05-26-2014 at 08:54 AM.
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05-26-2014 , 09:43 PM
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I don't want to be pedantic, but the way you're writing that hand, it isn't clear to me what you mean. If you mean single suited, there are eleven distinctly different varieties of single suited A5J9 hands.
Good point... there is 55% equity for a5j9 against a random, while 57.32 for the a5j9ss. 2.3% percent difference is nothing in hold em, but way different in h/l.

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I don't know if it's in a book or not. I made it up for you. Since (I thought) you asked for a formula, I wrote a formula for you.
Cool formula... hope you didn't write it so I lose against you at the table lol.

Making up your own formulas now?!! I'll buy 5 copies of your h/l omaha book.

Has that formula been helping you? Seems like a great way to calculate implied odds.
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05-26-2014 , 10:47 PM
Anyone got any suggestions on what the OPTIMAL VPIP is?

I've said here that < 20% is tight in a slow-blind MTT but I won an MTT yesterday with a VPIP of 12% (15 min blinds) going into the last 5 and now this evening I'm FT again (10 min blinds) and these are my stats:



Thoughts? Way too tight? Too tight? Just right?
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05-26-2014 , 11:41 PM
^^ for clarity I finished 2nd and if I had survived a river when a dude filled up, I would have won on 17%
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05-26-2014 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ItchingAgain
Cool formula...
Thanks. I don't substitute in formulas much. I don't think memorizing formulas is a very good way to learn how to do problems. For me as a former teacher and supervisor of instruction, teaching how to solve mathematical problems by using formulas is sort of a last resort approach. (Some of the worst teachers I ever had as a student, or evaluated as a supervisor of instruction, disagree with me).

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hope you didn't write it so I lose against you at the table lol.
Ha ha. No. I doubt we'll ever compete with each other at Omaha-8. Sometimes I wonder, when I read posts, if the poster is deliberately trying to mislead readers. I hope not. But it's up to the individual reader to decide whose posts to believe.

There's a lot of misinformation on the internet and in the e-mails I get. It's often hard for me to know whom to believe. I imagine it's hard for you too.

Buzz
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05-27-2014 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by HighTillIDieT4L
Anyone got any suggestions on what the OPTIMAL VPIP is?
I think it depends on your opponents.

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I've said here that < 20% is tight in a slow-blind MTT but I won an MTT yesterday with a VPIP of 12%

Thoughts? Way too tight? Too tight? Just right?
Do whatever works for you. If you won the tournament, seems like against that particular field you probably were playing fine.

Congratulations on your win.

Buzz
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05-27-2014 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Buzz
I think it depends on your opponents.
The opponents are the same in OH8 MTTs > $50 all day, every day - first table I had Demonic16, MrScruffff (aka Omahaha), Marek Heinz ($333K baby!) and other regs and only regs.

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Congratulations on your win.
Thanks, now if only my keyboard stopped playing up and they used American ordinance in water pistols around April, all would be well with the world
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05-27-2014 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by HighTillIDieT4L
Thoughts? Way too tight? Too tight? Just right?
I don't think 252 hands is a significant sample. And the formating/information in those stats. aren't great.

10% VPIP outside of blinds ... wow, nitty.
Same VPIP in SB as BB ... wow, loose maniac.
Played 42 hands, won 20 without showdown ... wow, playing vs. foldilocks.
Showdown 15 hands, won 11 ... wow, playing vs. calling stations.

...I mean, you can be playing 10% or 60%, but if you keep getting dealt quads you are going to keep folding.
There have been a bunch of times where I've got unplayable trash on the button, and each position after that it gets a little better ... so by the time I'm in early position I would have been happy to play the hand in late position. So it's not like I'm getting a worse selection of hands than normal, they just aren't being dealt to me at good times.
Dito. a bunch of times where I have AKQ2, think I have the nuts, and then flop 982 or something. Or have like AT72r and think at last I can see a flop, only to see it go EP raise, call, nit CO 3bet.

As Buzz said, I would be loath to change anything based on an abstract theory as long as you are getting first or second .
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05-27-2014 , 12:02 PM
^^ Well tbh I was card-dead for long periods, going levels without seeing an ace but being a nit has its advantages - biggest of which is when playing regs who I know have me tagged as a nit, it grants me free license to bluff any flop/turn/river when I sense the opposition doesn't have the nuts - i.e. playing vs foldilocks
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05-27-2014 , 05:02 PM
I don't think those stats are too bad. Around 15% is fine. Really depends on the table and how everyone is playing. I don't think there is a definitive good vpip. I'd pay more attention to the starting hand ranges of my opponent and adjust my game to their style. In general I like to play a bit loose/wider range in position. I like 08 since it is more of an art than hold em. Sometimes creativity/"cute" plays can work better in 08.
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