It seems like quite a bad flop to me. If there is a good chance that they will both fold clearly going with it makes a lot of sense. This is why I was too-and-fro-ing originally.

We are again in the situation where we know the results and this is going to skew all further analysis.

[Disclaimer - I have played 2 PLO8 tourneys lifetime]

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seems like you think that you played it well and made a good fold coz you would have gone broke with that river.

Pot 3 betting with these effective stacks means you should be going with the hand most on most flops. So you did, thus building a huge pot with kessler cold calling from sb or w/e, and gave up when checked to you?????

flat pre or 3 bet much smaller is far more optimal and would generally make easier decsions post and busting less often in these spots.

As it happened kessler made a lol cold call and you gotta make a strong bet on the flop/get it in and hope you get at least 1 fold.

sounds like kessler would fit right in with the o8 games on stars

I think what makes the hand interesting is that we have a poor but not awful flop where if we get it in we will get called 90% of the time and have equity usually around 44% with the occasional 15 for around a total equity of 40%. The problem with checking is that our equity goes down further by allowing a player who would have folded to see the turn (ATJ3 or QJT9 or KKQJ). I suspect purely EV-wise shoving is better then checking but in a tourney it might be closer to a check.

Side note: V1's hand is poor and makes the jam better but I would not have been shocked to see something like AKQ3 and 2345 - people routinely check there fearful of the hero having AAxx

After 3 betting this pre, you have to pot/call the flop. Easy to rep AA. Sometimes people wont fold AQ but thats tough luck. Too much in the pot to give up now. By bloating the pot pre, you will get in situations like this

In this spot there is no repping AA as nobody will ever fold AQ or A34x or A45x or A35x. They may fear being against it, but they will never fold.

Yeah, but you're in ok shape vs. everything but AQ.

Checking back on the flop with SPR roughly 1 would be horrible in a cash game, but as this is a tournament I don't dare to call it a huge mistake.

This is an important point:

Frank Kasella?

Or Allen Kessler?

pot/call

you have to remember that even though this is a tough spot for you to bet, this will also be a difficult spot for villains to put their tournament life on the line with only a low draw

you've got the backdoor flush, can still make runner runner wheel and broadway.. you've just gotta shovel.. also not a lot of value in checking since aside from the 2 and the a there really aren't any turn cards that we expect will help us improve more than our opponents (maybe the 9 of clubs)

Is this Frank Kassela or Allen Kessler? Big difference. Regardless of that, I strongly prefer flat calling preflop, and hate hate hate getting it in on the flop. ABWW are perfect pull hands to play with money behind. Additionally, the cold caller almost always has a wheel type hand, generally with an ace. He won't be folding an ace + wheel draw, much less ace plus wheel wrap or aces up plus wheel draw which he could very easily have. This is a tournament. You don't have to go bonkers on the flop just because you created a large pot preflop

I check here, fully understanding that there are basically no good cards that can come on the turn. There may be one ace left in the deck. There may be one duece as well. This is just a bad spot to be in, imo.

Being in position here allows you to reevaluate with more information on the turn. 3, 4, T, J are some turns that give you scoop outs for the river. I am probably checking if checked to on the turn if these cards come out. But I am betting a 9 turn if it gets checked to you. Also I am betting an A or a 2 on the turn.

I guess I don't see the value in turning your hand into a bluff on the flop when it has both showdown value and some backdoor draws when we are in position.

Interesting hand.

It was Frank Kassela. I played both people at PLO8 and got them confused.

I like all the analysis here that doesn't involve fold equity on the flop. There are good reasons to pot (all in basically) because your odds of winning go up and we are usually around 44 or so. There are good reasons for checking too, as it's a tournament and we are definitely behind with almost 0 fold equity and we may be way way behind.

mandatory jam when u 3bet pre.

you're ridiculously pessimistic if you think you're getting called 90 percent of the time. even if you get called in one spot you'll have 40-60% most of the time. only something like AQ with a low draw has you in terribad shape. checking back and letting 2 hands realize their equity for free is so lolbad when youve got an SPR of 1, the luxury of both players checking to you, and a hand that hit the flop in a pretty decent way.

I find it very hard to construct two hands that don't hit that board. Almost any hand with an ace hits that board harder then ours and any hi or low rundown without an ace hit it too. As played we got two dreamy hands and we still would have been a 44 dog.

I'm surprised you think we have hit the flop well. Of all the flops we could have had with this hand, how high up do you think this flop is in terms of value to us?