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Folding A2 hands preflop? Folding A2 hands preflop?

01-24-2016 , 10:59 PM
My question is about limit games only. I already understand that in the pot limit and no limit games, marginal A2 hands are usually playable but there are definitely situations where they won't play great post so you can fold them.

What I'm wondering is, are there situations where you're folding A2 hands pre in limit O8 or decent A3 hands? Lately I've been wondering. Like say you're playing shorthanded and you get A297 badugi in the small blind and it gets raised and 3bet. Same question for say A963 one nut suit in the same spot or A722 with non-nut suit. I don't have any sample hands but I'm sure I can post some later.

Edit: I just feel like some of these type of hands have been playing out poorly for me postflop a lot so I've been rethinking my strategy with them.

Last edited by JustinZee; 01-24-2016 at 11:28 PM.
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01-24-2016 , 11:27 PM
There are some extreme situations where rainbow A2 hands are foldable, but I don't think the examples you posted are among them. Certainly not in a short-handed game. Except I suppose A222 rainbow is foldable in wider range of situations.
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01-25-2016 , 12:25 AM
No.
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01-25-2016 , 12:31 AM
I've been playing in this ridiculous game where it's 3bets or capped preflop multiway a lot and these type of hands are where I'm losing a lot of money. So I'm just running bad?
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01-25-2016 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JustinZee
I've been playing in this ridiculous game where it's 3bets or capped preflop multiway a lot and these type of hands are where I'm losing a lot of money. So I'm just running bad?
You would need to post some hands i guess. It could very easily be your postflop decisions.
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01-25-2016 , 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JustinZee
I've been playing in this ridiculous game where it's 3bets or capped preflop multiway a lot and these type of hands are where I'm losing a lot of money. So I'm just running bad?
I don't believe in the "running bad" stuff. I really don't. Yes, you get unlucky/coolered from time to time and sometimes you can get coolerd for an entire session, but usually, when you see some type of consistency/pattern with a certain part(s) of your game? Your game needs work.

I will on occasion fold A2(A3 is not A2 and shouldn't be put in the same league) but it is a rare occuance.
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01-26-2016 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by NickMPK
There are some extreme situations where rainbow A2 hands are foldable, but I don't think the examples you posted are among them. Certainly not in a short-handed game. Except I suppose A222 rainbow is foldable in a wider range of situations.
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You would need to post some hands i guess. It could very easily be your postflop decisions.
These.
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01-31-2016 , 12:35 AM
in barbers well I'm quite certain he "lol 'd" at the thought of folding any a2 hand pre in FLO8, this was not the case in regards to PLO8 or NLO8.

quite certain he thought folding A2xx preflop was more credible in big bet games. can someone correct me if I'm wrong? and, why the differences? is it because we can be taken off our equity easier in big bet games(folding without realizing our equity)?
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01-31-2016 , 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by p2 dog, p2
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quite certain he thought folding A2xx preflop was more credible in big bet games. can someone correct me if I'm wrong? and, why the differences? is it because we can be taken off our equity easier in big bet games(folding without realizing our equity)?
high equity is a lot more important in NL/PL

you also play for stacks so punishment for having starting hands that don't play well for both sides of the pot is far greater than in limit

in the same way you can push high equity a lot harder in NL/PL games and punish other players who play one way starting hands
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01-31-2016 , 12:43 AM
with regard to the OP i don't think it is a grave error to fold weak a2/a3 hands in FL full ring games in early position. i'm happy to fold things like a29x without a third wheel card or ace suited and i don't think that's terrible.

if you're giving anything up it's probably very small. i doubt you are though and it's a small enough thing that considering the rake it's probably a good play to get out of the way.

also factor in whether a tight player has raised or has limped in early position when making your decision preflop because they will predictably have the types of hands that quarter you. careful observation of showdowns online will yield some excellent information on what hands people are playing in what position, if they are even playing according to position at all (it's widely disregarded in my XP, at others' peril). you can also see what actions they made with various starting hands preflop to get a feel for what they are doing/how they value hands and if their strategy is exploitable.

for example, some players only raise with A2 or aces in their hand, and limp all other hands, essentially telegraphing their range when they raise preflop, enabling you to make some very accurate decisions that your opponents will miss from failing to observe. when such a player only limps, you now know that nearly any a2 is playable and that when it comes low you will get at least half in that spot and so you can play your hand very confidently, assuming no other players are in the hand except those yet to act at that point.

Last edited by LUCIUS VARENUS; 01-31-2016 at 12:59 AM.
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01-31-2016 , 01:59 AM
Having a hand like A22 can only make it more likely yours is the only A2 out there. I guess a hand like A22(789) would be hands ok to muck if it was 3! to you OOP. A lot would be dependent on how the game was. Are there a lot of OMC/nits in your game? Is every flop between 4-6 players? A lot is game dependent as well as position.
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02-04-2016 , 05:28 PM
I would fold it in situation where you have no hi draw or counterfeit protection A2T9, or A3xx in early position is a fold imo, but I am a knit.
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02-09-2016 , 03:18 PM
You can sometimes fold a bad A2 facing a raise from a tight player in a game that is not very loose. A bare A2 makes money from being in multi-way pots with players who chase non-nut lows.

If I had to guess, I'd say you are probably not folding enough on a A2x flop and calling too much when your low gets counterfeited on the end and you end up with a live ace or deuce for low.

You may also be raising too often with A2xx preflop.
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