I was talking to a guy at the casino tonight who was playing $4/8 Omaha Hi/Lo and as we were chatting he casually looked down at AAK6 UTG and instantly mucked it like I would fold J4o in hold'em, then turned around to finish his sentence. He's a huge nit anyway so I erupted in laughter thinking I'd seen him take his nittery to a whole new level, but he kept insisting that this is a correct fold. He said 'the 6 is no good' and kept saying he was UTG and 'this is Hi/Lo not PLO'.

So is that actually a standard fold or is he the massive nit I think he is?

Was this in FLO8 or big bet? Absolutely not standard. That is some serious nittery, even if it was 9-max.

You decide.

From ProPokerTools:
Omaha Hi/Lo Hand Ranking (unweighted) ?

Rankings for AAK6

Ranking	Description	Average	Best	Worst
10H	10-handed iterative (default)	2.63	2.0	3.0
3H	3-handed iterative	2.13	2.0	3.0
6H	6-handed iterative	2.5	2.0	4.0
VR	vs. random hand	2.0	1.0	3.0

Buzz

I don't know what "FLO8 or big bet" means.

It was 4/8 Omaha Hi/Lo. $2/4 blinds. $4 on the flop, $8 on the turn/river. 9-handed. Qualifying low wins half the pot.

Don't know what this chart is saying either lol

There are three common betting schemes.
• fixed-limit
• pot-limit
• no-limit

"FLO8" means fixed-limit-Omaha-8.
"Big bet" can mean different things. In standard FLO8, the first two betting rounds are "small bet" rounds while the last two betting rounds (where the bets double in size) are "big bet" rounds.

4/8 implies fixed-limit (but it's not absolutely clear because the small blind in pot-limit or no-limit could be $4 while the big blind could be $8). However when you say the blinds were $2/$4, that makes it clear your game is fixed-limit (FLO8).

Clear?

The numbers can go up to 100. The lower the numbers, the higher rated the starting hand. I call starting hands in the 1 to 5 range premium starting hands.

Clear?

Buzz

Aren't you a (F)LHE player mostly? Btw for the future, that's pretty standard categorisation/terminology for mixed games, FL or big bet games.

I play LHE, ya. Sounds like FLO8 and 'big bet' are the same thing. I thought you were asking which one it was.

Thanks for the clarification buzz. So he insta mucked a premium hand. That's what I thought. Hilarious.

Anybody care to make a hold'em comparison? Was that like folding AKo or JJ or just like ATs or something?

Ah I see the confusion. I didn't read all of Buzz's reply properly at first because I just assumed it was right . They're not the same thing. A big bet game is a non-limit game, ie Pot limit or No limit. So the 2 main variants of games are basically either FL (limit) or big bet (PL or NL). I just said big bet initially because at the time it was easier to say than or NL or PL (but obviously turned out to be much longer).

ok got it, thx. ya it was FL.

Probably closest to TT.

Thanks. It is right, just not complete.

I started to complete the answer, but then decided since he was talking about a fixed-limit game, to leave it as the fixed-limit answer, definition a.

Thanks for definition b.

Buzz

Btw Buzz, that chart, is what it's showing percentiles? Eg that a 2.5 is in the 97th-98th percentile of strength for starting hands?

TT LOL

What a ****ing nit.

Not exactly.

The percentile rank would be the percentage of worse or same hands.

ProPokerTools uses 1 as best and that must correspond to the 99th percentile.

ProPokerTools uses 100 as worst and must correspond to the 0th percentile.

2.5 would correspond to the 97.5th percentile.

(That's how I read it).

Buzz

Technically, that is not a super nitty fold. it is very hard to scoop with that hand because of the ace-6 low. It is essentially a high only hand and if he does hit a set of aces, there is a good channce he will chop with the low. If he had a wheel card instead of the six it would be more of a nit type fold.

Nitty. Limping would be fine. Raising is preferable if suited up and as games get bigger leading to more 2/3 handed pots

This is definitely not standard for UTG. However, it wouldn't be the worst option for a player if he expects to get 3-5way every single time (!) and can't get away from an overpair postflop.

Don't know if you mentioned the suitedness of it but suitedness is always a huge consideration!

dbl suited -> he's an idiot
single -> weak, learn how to play post-flop
rainbow -> I guess maybe 9-handed if you don't have post flop confidence

Playing carefully at least single suited, it;s going to perform fine against any number of opponents but it isn't a monster on many flops. Just have to expect to fold it a lot of the time. You could raise or limp I'd imagine.

Rainbow I might prefer a limp if the table is action hungry to keep things deceptive. If it's a tight table just raise and your card-removal will allow you to steal a lot, either pre or post.

Take it all with a grain of salt I rarely play limit o8.

I play in loose games (5+ to flop) and I fold this. I know its bad in terms of equity but I just don't have any success stories of taking hands like this to showdown vs many opponents without making a full house or flush. Sorry for the results orientedness.

hahhahahahahahhahaha

what a ****in ridic thread

WTF.

Fold is total ridic. If you raise and have to fold post so flipping be it. Never limping this - that's even worse than folding IMO.

1. Your friend is likely a winner in the game.
2. He is a nit.
3. Bad aces are not premium hands.
4. Calling worse than folding.
5. If flop goes 5 ways hand sucks.
6. Suits obviously make big difference.
7. K and 6 good enough for me to raise.

I would never fold this, especially single or double suited.

I would raise with it if I had been raising enough that doing this would not have me playing my hand face up. I try and be one of the more active preflop raisers in O8 so that it won't look completely odd for me to be raising UTG.

IMO, limping isn't horrible because you can see a cheap flop and then dump it if it doesn't look good and your hand is hidden if it does look good.

AAxx hands in O8 are easy to play once you figure out that they have far less value than in hold'em or stud.

How is this thread still alive?

A thread is alive until a moderator locks it. We don't lock a thread unless there is a problem or nothing more to write. I don't see a problem and I don't know if someone will have something more to write or not. And that's generally the case. (Therefore we don't lock very many threads).

Capisce?

Buzz