i doubt that any player at plo8 10 will fold nut low.

but some will fold facing a 32-cent call into a $9.57 pot because they "know" their set or two pair hand or whatever is beaten when the river completed a bunch of draws and Hero bet pot.

wp OP

That's true.

Do you understand that we still have to show down for a 3-way main pot and a HU first side pot, and that the second side pot is empty?

There are some meta considerations that might make it good, but if you are going to do this on blank rivers then you want to min. raise CO's turn bet. thus. making a side pot with UTG.

You were last to act on the river, so you don't have to call anything if you check.

I'd check river 100%, but then I'd just fold flop more often than call.

Do you guys really think there's any chance of utg showing up here with a2???
NO CHANCE imo!!
There will be times when he calls with as 4s and two broadway cards or if you think he gets there with it a2 and two broadway where we scoop or 3/4!
I can't see there being a downside to this bet.
Also it seems that some people have stopped taking into account how big or small the game is before posting their response!

I'm laughing. UTG only has 32¢ left. And the other two players are all-in. There's not much risk to Hero in shoving. (He only loses 32¢ more if UTG scoops him). But maybe by shoving he gets UTG to make a mistake.

"Good play" seemed like an innocent and friendly thing to write to ThaHero.

Buzz

Oh, gotcha. I didn't notice the stack sizes. It's like a limit game, then -- good bet with the naked NL, expect to get called by 4A and 42, no pair. Sorry for my confusion.

Since i'm really bad at catching these details, my handcrafted live HHs for big-bet games usually include the SPR and money behind.

That's an absurd hyperbole. Of course there's a chance he has A2 and a pair. But at these stacks and effectively a limit O8 game on the river, there's also plenty of his range that pays us off, so betting is good.

Wow. Lots of posts here. Thanks to everyone with their input.

1facebook, it's definitely microstakes but I'm trying to learn this game so I don't take such things for granted. If I'm lost I ask people who are better than me what I should do and seeing as this is probably my 200th PLO8 hand ever I don't feel bad about asking people for help. You're new to 2+2 so maybe you're not used to how things work. That's fine.

For some reason I hate folding the flop because I feel like I'm entitled to part of the pot, but I guess sometimes I lose money due to that entitlement. Which is why I called, for better or worse. But I guess later I end up betting so I guess there is merit for raising at some point? If you know you have the nut low you can use it to hammer people because even if you lose you don't really lose?

Speaking on the river bet, I guess I was value-betting the low? Although I don't think I am that good. At some point I figured UTG either didn't have anything or missed what he had. I just knew I didn't want him showing down a hand.

I still think it's a bad bet because I didn't understand why I was doing it really. I probably ended up helping CO more than myself.

If anyone cares, MP had (AKd)A2 and won the flush high and CO had AT(54c) and won the side pot high with a pair of fives.

Yeh, this. Feel pretty dumb now.

Not sure if it's better to raise turn so you get his last 32 when he has nothing but a spade draw, but meh.

In general the deeper the stacks and the tighter the villains the more likely I am to fold bare nut low. With a multiway pot, seemingly fairly loose opponents, and short stacks, calling down is my play in this hand.

Also note that turning or rivering a king (or 9) will sometimes give hero the high.

+1

in before someone else asks: "is it better to "pot" the river or bet 0.32$?"

[QUOTE=AKQJ10;335383
That's an absurd hyperbole. Of course there's a chance he has A2 and a pair. But at these stacks and effectively a limit O8 game on the river, there's also plenty of his range that pays us off, so betting is good.[/QUOTE]

How is this absurd? You do see how the hand plays out? Probably not seeing as you didn't even realise the stack sizes lol!

My post wasn't directed at you mate! You should always ask for help!
I'm new to posting on 2+2 but have played this game for about 5 years now.
The stakes that i play at range between 200 and 1000 but still remeber what it was like to play in the micro's!

Imo at these stakes there is no way that utg(with his stack) plays the hand this way with a2!

I'm unclear why you don't think a passive player could play A2 the same way up to the turn.

Eh? You've confused me now! Aren't we talking about hero's river bet?
Of course a passive player could have a2 by the turn but with him checking the river with such a small amount left i think we can discount the chances of him having it!
So hero betting is the best thing to do!
Get to river v average to good players and i'm checking back, v fish (which utg clearly is) i'm betting!