Yes, I'm about to play my first hands of PLO8. Play money for a starter, after winning 500BB at each of a couple of levels, it's the $.01/.02.
Quoting myself here. As you can see, this doesn't really make much sense. I've worked 2.5 years to learn playing limit, not totally without success, but with a very long way to go. Let's see the quoted "freak out" as something you have to do from time to time: questioning what you are doing. Change if needed, but for God's sake, continue if that's better.
I'm not exactly young anymore, the young brains have dynamics I can't match. My only chance is to cling on to the poker game I like the most: limit O8. If there's no games going, I may read something about O8 instead. Limit will not die, as it will be spread live, it's a part of mixed games, and it interests in itself.
I'm not exactly young anymore, the young brains have dynamics I can't match. My only chance is to cling on to the poker game I like the most: limit O8.
Wow. Really? You don't want to be adaptable? You learned LO8 in 2.5 years but you think you're over the hill and couldn't learn a new game?
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Originally Posted by plaaynde
Limit will not die, as it will be spread live, it's a part of mixed games, and it interests in itself.
I find this expression appropriate here: f'k 'em
Well, that sentiment i can honor. Play what you like, as long as you can afford to do so. I'm a jack of all trades so it's been hard for me to even specialize in live LO8 long enough to get better at it.
I'd fold pre for obvious reasons...
As played, i'd C/C flop but i'm not a big fan of C/C'ing turn.
I'd normally C/F the 17-card non nut wrap on a 2-flush paired board, and occasionally C/R and follow through as a bluff on a river K, Q, 8, 7, 2...
Taking the aggro line, a river diamond that gives you a straight is interesting...
As played, value C/R'ing river is probably too thin against decent players.
I'd probably just bet/sigh call...
Preflop: First we have to look at which kinds of hands we are folding heads up in the blinds. We can't let ourselves be pushed around. Some more analysis of this I would like though. My current theory is only trips and quads are folded in this situation.
Flop: I have a wrap draw (17 outs, pot odds are 1.5:1 for high. There is 5.5 SB in the pot, costs only one small bet to continue) combined with a low draw of some potential heads up. Backdoor flush draw.
Turn: No special reason to believe villain has a 7. Raw probability villain has a 7 is 2 to 10, that is 1 to 5. I still have some odds to call.
River: I don't have a good reason to believe villain has a full house on the river. Because of that the check raise on the river most probably is correct, looking at villains betting pattern in this hand and how it generally goes.
Look at the spoiler and you can see what villains are betting with: bad hands. Welcome to short handed .10/.20. They know to be aggressive though
Even if MP steals wide is this the kind of hand you want to defend? You say don't let yourself get pushed around but there are a lot more hands that are better heads up than this that aren't even necessarily premiums.
As played on the flop you have a sht low draw and while you have a wrap the 5 or 6 gives you the nut straight but also qualifes a low to once again we have sht for. We can't assume villain always has a better low here, but he isn't dumping his hand pre so it is possible he has something (no reads on villain mentioned).
So even though I would fold pre, or as played fold flop, when the turn card comes how does this remotely help your hand at all? There is a diamond draw which we don't have, we don't have a boat draw and we don't have a good low draw...our straight that we are "trying to hit" may be drawing dead. Easy fold.
As played again when the J comes ok...here maybe a check call is fine since diamonds and low didn't get there depending on our read on villain which once again wasn't mentioned. I miss read that this is limit so I guess we can't go broke here by raising the river...I just don't like this hand at all from the start to the finish, but that is just me. I will choose different hands to defends and give my read on villain that I am defending against.
let's start by comparing rankings:
3h6h9cTc 68.0
AsAd3dTc 1.0
Hand
Pot equity
Scoops
Wins Hi
Ties Hi
Wins Lo
Ties Lo
3h6h9cTd
32.94%
195,579
409,536
12,998
107,024
26,016
AsAd3dTc
67.06%
557,311
663,474
12,998
380,984
26,016
Will look at these preflop simulations. Would say that villains raising range in general is something like AAxx, KKxx and A2xx. Lessens probability of a 7 in villains hand, which is crucial in this hand.
Starting hand pot equity: 32.94% : 67.06% ~= 1:2. When calling a raise in the big blind I'm getting 1:3.5 in equity. Question is if the RIO makes calling villains raise heads up unprofitable or not. Maybe standard answer is yes, but I'm not totally sure. Heads up is a bit special for many reasons. Multihanded this is a fold in BB within a blink of an eye.
And thanks Str8. My comment of villain about betting "bad hands" wasn't very polite, not even correct. I just meant they don't need monsters to bet on later streets, and that's right. He had reasons to believe he was ahead. Good reasons. And his preflop hand was of course super excellent, but the shine of it diminished somewhat as the hand went on.
the river is not great for villian, but he should figure he's still ahead of hero's range and decides to make a thin value bet:
Pretty sure you know that's a non sequitur, but it bears clarifying for anyone reading: He may be ahead of Hero's range but not ahead of hero's calling range, or barelyahead of both but not the 55% (?) that Sklansky estimates necessary for a value bet (in LHE), to offset the possibility of a check/raise. This latter consideration is true if he can't fold confidently vs. a CR. If he can bet knowing that any CR is a good hand, then 50.1% of Hero's calling range is all he has to beat, i think.
I generally like to vbet AA on paired board situations like this, but only if it's a clear bet/fold. If you have to bet/call a CR on a river like this, unless your opponent (our Hero) is a compulsive bluffer, you probably shouldn't have gone for such thin value.
Small sample, but is WTSD 36, W$SD 72 running really hot or somewhat standard?
22/16 PF...
I assume it's limit because you are in this thread. Is it full ring or six-max? Very tight aggressive play preflop, extremely willing to raise whatever is going on the few times he's(you?) in. The WTSD looks a bit too low and W$SD looks a little too high. Is he(you) winning? How small sample, 100 hands? 1000 hands?
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