Played the Bikes Legends series recently and this hand came up six handed at the final table. The blinds at 6 and 12k. UTG has 110k and is a TAG solid PLO8 player. 2nd to act is also a very good PLO8 player and a little more aggressive he has 210k and the C.L. 3rd up is a 3 time bracelet winner at mix games bracelet and the most aggressive player at the table he has 100k. Button is the youngest player at the time and the second and sometimes first most aggressive player, also solid with 90k (He and I have a deal for 25% of each other). Button is a knowledgeable PLO8 player who limps constantly and has 190k. I have 150k in the SB. I play PLO8 daily and have a TAG image. Big blind has 64k and is a very experienced PLO8 player with several deep cashes in WSOP PLO8 events. He's the sortie.

The tables action for the last few orbits is mostly a pot bet followed by folds or is there is no pot then 1 or 2 limp calls. Payouts are around 7, 5, 4, 2.5 1.5 and 1.3

Action: UTG limp calls the 12k BB. 2nd and 3rd to act fold. Button who almost always limps does so again. I look down at AcKdKh10s on th SB and call. The bb pots it and is basically all in for 60k. UTG flats the 60k and Button flats the 60. Now it's back on me.

Ok, so first I had a hard time deciding the correct decision when it was on me the first time. I did have the A block as well as KK and straight draws but of course it's a one way hand and it's a badugi. I would appreciate some opinions on what you would do here based on the info above.

Now that's it's back to me after the pot all in bet and the two calls I have another decision. I know if I pot were all getting it in and looking at a massive pot. With out saying what I did I again would like your opinions here.

Thanks for the help.

IMO easy fold. It was OK to make up the blind but you're facing serious action with a fairly poor hand. Most likely going to drop a player here so fold and move up.

agree with lucius, easy fold as played, action prior to that standard

i had a few minutes---OP re-imagined as a HH


final table:
payouts: around 7, 5, 4, 2.5 1.5 and 1.3

blinds 6000/12000

UTG: 110,000 (9.2 bb) solid TAG, plo8 player
MP: 210,000 (17.5 bb) very good, plo8
CO: 100,000 (8.3 bb) most aggressive @ table,3x mixed game bracelet winner
BTN: 190,000 (15.8 bb) 2nd,close 1st most aggressive, limps constantly,young,solid and friend(25%pieces of each other)
Hero:150,000 (12.5 bb) TAG image
BB: 64,000 (5.3 bb) very experienced, deep wsop plo8 cashes

Preflop: Hero is SB with AKK10
UTG calls 12,000, 2 folds, BTN calls 12,000, Hero completes, BB raises to 60,000(4k behind), UTG calls raise(50k behind), BTN calls raise(130k behind), Hero ?


"The tables action for the last few orbits is mostly a pot bet followed by folds or is there is no pot then 1 or 2 limp calls."


what's a hero to do?? comments concerning completing the sb blind also welcome.

fold

In a cash game with 100bb stacks, I'd limp in the SB ... with 12bb putting 4% of your stack in with no suit doesn't seem like it can be good.

I insta-muck.
IMO KKHH is easily the most overplayed weak hand in O8.
Completing the SB definitely but I muck those cards to min raises preflop all day (in MTTs).

My first impression was to fold here but it sounds like you are at a pretty respectable/tough table and everyone is short so I would be willing to play marginal spots. This hand actually plays pretty well 4 ways assuming the aces are all out and non paired. We are about 28% vs 3 top 15% hands. I don't love it but I think getting it in is fine.

^^ best post so far imo

That said I would fold. Not because AKKT is a bad hand (its actually pretty good) but because this spot is pure gamble.

If I thought there was anyway either deeper stacked player would fold then its an insta jam since the resulting pot odds would be fantastic.

However given the descriptions of the players this is not going to happen so I'd rather fold and hope the shorty gets eliminated.

Point to note: Given the shorty's stack it's highly likely that he pots all in here so I wouldn't complete unless planning on being all in myself.

Arguably the best play is to pot it ourselves from the SB and pot all-in on any favourable flop.

Flat calling given the current action would be insane.

Yeah, I don't hate getting it in, but its gambol. I, too, was intrigued by the thought of potting ourselves and forcing the limpers to a decision. Seems like the table has been playing fairly tight and you can't be in horrible shape unless someone's getting tricky with AAxx, which seems unlikely given your Ace and table M's.

Given your description of your opponents, I would fold pre in this spot: you are out of position, table playing tight/well, your hand is (barring a broadway type flop) not a scooping hand, etc.

As others have suggested, you could gamble and pot bet pre, but in this situation I would suggest waiting for a better spot.

I don't think it's good to put in 60k of your 150k stack when the best case scenario is you have 28% equity. Just let the others knock each other out, move up in the standings, and preserve your stack so you can use it to pressure people in future hands.

This is a very interesting spot...I think its a fold for a few reasons....but let me think about it and come back

2 points.
-even assuming that utg, and btn along with bb get it in with hero, hero is only 4way for 42.7% of his stack (64k), he's 3way for 30.7% (46K) and hu for 26.7% (40K).
-its very unlikely that he's up against 3 top 15% hands.
simulation of 5 random hands along with hero's AxKyKwTz says that 3 top 15% hands get dealt only .4% of the time.

so using 3 top 15% hands doesn't provide a good equity estimate for hero.

i believe ICM dictates its a fold.

is ICM useful when the stacks are all this shallow i don't know.
ICM also doesn't account for skill edges or lack thereof, but i get the impression that although the table appears tough, hero thinks he can hold his own.

using OP's payouts even though its obviously somewhat flawed (the 3rd place payout)
hero has ~17.75% tournament equity and it doesn't change that much if he folds with completing or without completing.

to put that into perspective the payouts are 1st place is ~33% tournament equity and 6th place is ~6% tournament equity.

to risk elimination and finish 6th is risking 11.5+% teq.

if hero is able to scoop and bust both bb and utg, while leaving btn w/ 40K, hero's teq improves to ~28.3% and hero's guaranteed atleast 4th which is ~11.5%. even though a scoop would mean hero would have 57.5% of the chips, and his min. equity improves from 6% to 11.5%, the overall ICM Teq gain is still less then the Teq lost when busting, and scooping all 3 opponents is the best case scenerio.