Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, 10, 10, Q
Hero calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, 1 fold, SB calls $0.05, BB checks
Flop: ($0.50) A, Q, K (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $3.20, 1 fold, CO raises to $3.70 (All-In), 1 fold, BB raises to $10.58 (All-In), Hero calls $7.38
Turn: ($25.36) 3 (3 players, 2 all-in)
River: ($25.36) K (3 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $25.36 | Rake: $1.14
Spoiler:
BB had 2, 10, 9, J (Hi: flush, King high).
Hero had J, 10, 10, Q (Hi: straight, Ace high).
CO had 3, Q, 4, Q (Hi: full house, Queens over Kings).
Outcome: BB won $13.14, CO won $11.08
You should probably just fold that pre UTG, also I would just call the BB bet as its real easy to be getting freerolled so you want to try keep the pot small. But as played i guess you just have to call the BB's shove and hope that the board runs out clean.
Thanks, still working on starting hands tend to go low only but realising only 60% times board has a low maybe 'some' high.
My reactions to the hand were:
A) What a stupid starting hand
B) Set was ahead?
C) Damn flush
D) I'm not playing zoom just coz the servers about to go down again! :P
PS: Super new! Learning on a training budget, I'm no where near enough baller to have a real bankroll :P
After the flop I play it the same way, the fact that you have two 10 in your hand makes it less likely that anyone else has straight so I would not worry about someone freerolling me.
Preflop I would not limp because I never limp first one in the pot. And whether I raise or fold this pre depends on how bad or good my opponents are and how lucky I feel
River: ($10.40) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)
Hero had 6, 9, A, 2 (Hi: two pair, fours and twos, Lo: [ 6, 5, 4, 2, A ]).
SB had 3, A, 9, Q (Hi: straight, five high, Lo: [ 5, 4, 3, 2, A ]).
Outcome: SB won $9.93
After the flop I play it the same way, the fact that you have two 10 in your hand makes it less likely that anyone else has straight so I would not worry about someone freerolling me.
I thought the same with the TT in hand
Preflop I would not limp because I never limp first one in the pot. And whether I raise or fold this pre depends on how bad or good my opponents are and how lucky I feel
Yeah I gotta stop limping in nearly all the games I play, and fix my leak when I DO raise early, to be able to ignore that and not try bluff the pot when I miss
Don't doubt yourself when you get your hand in good. the A692 hand is fine since you're way ahead. Do post hands so you can fix your leaks like limping etc.
Yeah I gotta stop limping in nearly all the games I play, and fix my leak when I DO raise early, to be able to ignore that and not try bluff the pot when I miss
it's not necessarily a leak in Omaha when you are UTG
i am someone who opens for a raise every single time i play a pot in NLHE, and i will only call pre if someone raised in front and i have position or i will limp a ton of hands behind limpers, e.g. suited connectors / small pairs = perfect hands for this. in limit games i always open for a raise unless it's a split pot game. many pros have this strategy, good example would be jimmy fricke.
in holdem you can bet your way out of some sticky spots when OOP. but in big bet omaha 8 sticky spots stay sticky, because you are always worried that you are only playing for half AND the other guy is going to come along with you and the bets are going to get bigger and bigger to find out if you're even getting half this pot. obv they can still raise it up in position behind you pre, but now you are looking at a single raise and not a 3 bet (though i admit that 3 betting is not that common)...
so if you don't raise pre UTG then the pot will always be smaller, so you get to prevent the guy who has position from value betting you for more money than you'd like him to. normally this is a pot limit thing but generally people stick to within pot size in no limit and actually bet pot less, however you do see ridiculous all ins regardless of pot size.
i'm probably not the best guy to explain it but in the PLO section of SS2 he says "don't raise up front". when i first read that i didn't realise why, but once you play the game you realise it's good to get the pot bigger pre in position and keep it small OOP, and then reverse that strategy postflop!
i applied this by only raising certain hands (i limped all cards are 8 or below, minimum 2 wheel cards with an ace, raised the rest) but i think you can balance it by throwing in v strong hands too and also some weak hands that you want to see flops cheap with, i tried that too, which worked out better
in 6 max i dont think it really applies very well to any position other than UTG but full ring i would go UTG 1 and 2 as well. in a shorthanded game, i think raising MP CO and BTN and generally limping SB BB and UTG is the best way to go
Wow thanks! Tough read But I'll have to look into that in SS2 the reverse strategy play sounds interesting.
The reraise when miss leak is I tend to do that in the fixed limit games I generally play either being stubborn or just bluffing and not letting go off the chips I put in pre ~ learning the hard way that when you do it in PLO and do it wrong you stack off a wholeeeeeeeee lot more than you put in pre!
I have a LOT to learn about position!
Think I'm one of the most backwards learning poker players ever. I can play 8 game and am semi confident at all the games in it did try my first serious attempt as a micro PLO8 MTT the other night and won it, (beginners luck me thinks)...
BUT I have no idea how to play holdem or about position and so many basic things! (Only play it as part of mixed games!)
Sooo much to learn!
NZGirl
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Originally Posted by LUCIUS VARENUS
it's not necessarily a leak in Omaha when you are UTG
i am someone who opens for a raise every single time i play a pot in NLHE, and i will only call pre if someone raised in front and i have position or i will limp a ton of hands behind limpers, e.g. suited connectors / small pairs = perfect hands for this. in limit games i always open for a raise unless it's a split pot game. many pros have this strategy, good example would be jimmy fricke.
in holdem you can bet your way out of some sticky spots when OOP. but in big bet omaha 8 sticky spots stay sticky, because you are always worried that you are only playing for half AND the other guy is going to come along with you and the bets are going to get bigger and bigger to find out if you're even getting half this pot. obv they can still raise it up in position behind you pre, but now you are looking at a single raise and not a 3 bet (though i admit that 3 betting is not that common)...
so if you don't raise pre UTG then the pot will always be smaller, so you get to prevent the guy who has position from value betting you for more money than you'd like him to. normally this is a pot limit thing but generally people stick to within pot size in no limit and actually bet pot less, however you do see ridiculous all ins regardless of pot size.
i'm probably not the best guy to explain it but in the PLO section of SS2 he says "don't raise up front". when i first read that i didn't realise why, but once you play the game you realise it's good to get the pot bigger pre in position and keep it small OOP, and then reverse that strategy postflop!
i applied this by only raising certain hands (i limped all cards are 8 or below, minimum 2 wheel cards with an ace, raised the rest) but i think you can balance it by throwing in v strong hands too and also some weak hands that you want to see flops cheap with, i tried that too, which worked out better
in 6 max i dont think it really applies very well to any position other than UTG but full ring i would go UTG 1 and 2 as well. in a shorthanded game, i think raising MP CO and BTN and generally limping SB BB and UTG is the best way to go
i'm probably not the best guy to explain it but in the PLO section of SS2 he says "don't raise up front". when i first read that i didn't realise why, but once you play the game you realise it's good to get the pot bigger pre in position and keep it small OOP, and then reverse that strategy postflop!
I don't think I'm understanding you. Why would you want to make pots bigger OOP postflop?
There is a sense in which, with some hands (esp. AAxx in either O8 or OH), you'd like to make the flop SPR smaller OOP to avoid getting outplayed. However, in pot-limit forms, you might not be able to make the SPR small enough, so then (to my understanding) you revert back to wanting small pots OOP. I'm not very good at any big-bet Omaha though so take this with a grain of salt.
You want to keep it small OOP, or just fold average hands. But with hands like AAxx, AAlowX espeically, i like to make it as big as possible pre especially OOP then you can just ship most flops and either get a fold or have the best hand enough of the time that is a profitable stratergy.
I don't think I'm understanding you. Why would you want to make pots bigger OOP postflop?
well what i meant was, you are still trying to keep it small postflop whenever you have a non nut hand, but when you are strong it's best to start betting/raising big so you can bet big later
but generally it's a lot of check call mode when OOP
Wondering if it's ever standard to not call the all in here?
Fold pre of course, very bad hi/lo hand. You'd do well to fold any hand without an ace in it.
On the flop you should just call instead of raising. Nut straight with no redraw is a weak hand in Omaha. On this particular board there's not much else that people can have either.
But once you raise and get reraised there's too much money on the table to back out now so you have to go with it and hope.
Two Plus Two
Is it ever wrong to call here? (NLO8 $0.10)
, 10
, 10
, Q
But I'll have to look into that in SS2 the reverse strategy play sounds interesting.
Re: Is it ever wrong to call here? (NLO8 $0.10)
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