Seems like HU quickly escalates to fold/shove by the flop, so 10-15 BB deep, we almost always have enough equity to shove, right?


1) Bovada $13 OMAHA HiLo Pot Limit 6-max SNG - Level 7 (150/300)
Seat 2: Big Blind [HERO] (2,960 in chips)
Seat 6: Dealer (6,040 in chips)

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Big Blind [HERO] : Card dealt to a spot [J 9 A 4]

Dealer : Raises 450 to 600
Big Blind [HERO] : Call 300
*** FLOP *** [7 Q K]
Big Blind [HERO] : Checks
Dealer : Bets 1200
Big Blind [HERO] : All-in(raise) 2360 to 2360
Dealer : Call 1160
*** TURN *** [7 Q K] [2]
*** RIVER *** [7 Q K 2] [K]


Highly unlikely V folds to my c/r but c/f seems nitty. 3bet preflop seems ok, but that commits almost half my stack so no choice but to shove flop then. I did that anyway, so maybe better to 3b PF and hope he folds any low hands to my c-bet on the flop?


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2) Bovada $13 OMAHA HiLo Pot Limit 6-max SNG - Level 6 (100/200)
Seat 4: Dealer (5,476 in chips)
Seat 5: Big Blind [HERO] (3,524 in chips)

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Big Blind [HERO] : Card dealt to a spot [8 6 K J]

Dealer : Raises 500 to 600
Big Blind [HERO] : Call 400
*** FLOP *** [6 Q 4]
Big Blind [HERO] : Bets 600
Dealer : Raises 3000 to 3000
Big Blind [HERO] : All-in 2324
Dealer : Return uncalled portion of bet 76
*** TURN *** [6 Q 4] [2]
*** RIVER *** [6 Q 4 2] [9]


Finding that any check HU results in a pot bet from villain, but maybe c/c is better on this flop. I don’t mind c/f here either without a low until I look at the HH and see V had JT32 or J332.


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3) Bovada $13 OMAHA HiLo Pot Limit 6-max SNG - Level 8 (200/400)
Seat 2: Dealer (2,863 in chips)
Seat 4: Big Blind [HERO] (6,137 in chips)

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Big Blind [HERO] : Card dealt to a spot [8 6 3 2]

Dealer : Raises 1000 to 1200
Big Blind [HERO] : Call 800
*** FLOP *** [6 A 5]
Big Blind [HERO] : Checks
Dealer : All-in 1663
Big Blind [HERO] : Call 1663
*** TURN *** [6 A 5] [J]
*** RIVER *** [6 A 5 J] [J]


No surprise that a check resulted in a pot/all-in bet from V. Since I hit flop so good, is there any reason to lead out here (since I don’t expect V to check back)?

1) c/f flop. I mean we have so many better hands to continue with, like any pair, any fd, any wrap... 3-bet pre is likely to be better than flat, depending on how much he is opening.

2) I don't understand at all what you are doing. If you are calling this pre, you are folding like bottom 10%(?) and you certainly don't need to be defending that wide. On the flop, c/f is probably better than continuing in any manner.

3) standard, wp.

I think you need to run some more equity sims, right now you are just mostly splashing around like a berserk because you feel your opponent is doing the same.

Fold flop
Fold pre
Good

In general, I’m defending any hand with a qualifying low. Exceptions would be obviously bad hands like 8886 or possibly something like 9962r. Defending our blind most of the time isn’t exclusive to limit is it?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/44...98/index2.html

I was getting almost exactly 2:1 on a call and against top 25% (which seems generous), I have 32% equity. Borderline for sure, and I can find a fold there (even preflop), but I just feel like I’m getting murdered by these maniacs by c/f. It’s like they read somewhere on the forum to just pot/raise/all-in so you don’t lose any equity and that’s the extent of their line here. Maybe fold more pre is the answer, but I was under the impression that it's not.

I am probably one of those maniacs you are referring to...

1) 3 bet pre as played check fold

2) You are a lot more exploitable playing this hand to get it in on q64 flops.. just fold pre or on the flop if you insist on calling

3) Flopping nut nut makes it easy check flop and this villian is jamming every time.

If someone opens 100%, one possible defensive method is to 3-bet 100%. That would eliminate all post-flop play which is obviously good for OOP (and for the weaker player). Your job is to improve on this.

If you want to defend a lot by calling (makes sense if you think you have a post-flop edge, as everyone does), I don't think you need to defend nowhere nearly as wide as you describe vs a pot open. I have never seriously investigated limit games, so I can't do a meaningful comparison between the two. What springs into mind though is that in PL/NL you can get much more money in (by 3-betting) when you have an equity advantage.

Against a 100% range you have 36% equity on the flop and you have over twice the pot left, so you'd need +40% to continue, as continuing equals getting it in now or on the next street. Don't fall into "2:1 is enough"-trap.

No comment Are you still playing these, or are you solely doing MTTs?

Can you really worry about being exploited here? I always thought the expolitation is going to happen when I fold pre too much - V will just raise 100%. But if I shove and lose, I'm out anyway so can't exploit me then; if I shove and win it will be hard for him to exploit me with 2000 chips (split and I probably get a lol in the chatbox). But that's in general - I can admit that call pre is questionable and donk/call is even worse.


Thanks. I do not 3bet enough HU. Mainly because it's easy to get V's chips by c/r the nuts/near-nuts on the flop when they take your call/check for weakness. But agree that you can/should capitalize on your equity by doing so in PL, so that seems like a better plan.

And thanks x2 for the "avoid 2:1 trap" advice. I was a little fuzzy on where your 40%+ came from until I did the math. Would suggest that anyone else who didn't find it intuitive figure it out for 2x pot, 2.5x pot, and 3x pot behind. Solid advice and something I'll use going forward.

when the NFL streets are mean to me, I always make my way back to these .

Hand 1 is a slam dunk 3 bet against all but the greatest nits. As played it's an easy c/f

Hand 2 is hideous. No comment!

Hand 3 is standard.

You know I'm a Packers fan, so the NFL streets have been pretty mean lately.

When this shallow, guess I don't see any real advantage to 3-betting i/o flatting. I'm a dog to a top 25% hand, fold equity is non-existent, and 3-betting means I will have to shove the flop no matter what. Not that I think it's a bad play, but it doesn't seem clear to me in this hand.

Advantage to 3 betting hand pre in my opinion is to punish him if he is maniac playing any 4 rather than calling and letting him decide how much more of his money goes in the middle.

Not sure I can take advice from such a nit (your threads are always the best man!), but agree with you and amok that it is best strategy against maniac raising wide. Plus, obviously not winning by not 3-betting. Last 13 SNGs: 1st 6th 2nd 2nd 2nd 2nd 2nd 1st 3rd 2nd 4th 3rd 2nd. Might as well just throw away my money on the NFL instead.

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4-bet/call confirmed bad strategy.

Seat 1: Dealer [HERO] (3,535 in chips)
Seat 4: Big Blind (5,465 in chips)

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealer [HERO] : Card dealt to a spot [8 5 A A]
Big Blind : Card dealt to a spot [2 3 9 T]

Dealer [HERO] : Raises 225 to 300
Big Blind : Raises 750 to 900
Dealer [HERO] : Raises 1950 to 2250
Big Blind : All-in(raise) 4565 to 5465
Dealer [HERO] : All-in 1285
Big Blind : Return uncalled portion of bet 1930

*** FLOP *** [J 2 T]
*** TURN *** [J 2 T] [2]
*** RIVER *** [J 2 T 2] [Q]
Dealer [HERO] : Showdown [Ah A 2 2 Q] (Two pair)
Big Blind : Showdown [2 T 2 T 2] (Full House)

Dealer [HERO] : Ranking 2
Dealer [HERO] : Prize Cash [$25.20]
Big Blind : Ranking 1
Big Blind : Prize Cash [$46.80]

hand 1 is spew

hand 2, c/c or c/r is better than leading out almost always, my line is gonna depend on dynamics of this HU match (that is to say, c/fing might still be best)

hand 3, is fine