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Old 06-29-2012, 05:23 PM   #1
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Diamond (AQ3)(T) from UTG+1, 50plo8: is this spewy?

Not a whole lot of info on villain, was about 45/5 through 20 hands. Am I being spewy here? I know my preflop raise is probably on the thin side here given my position. I figure the flop is fairly good to cbet as it should miss most calling ranges. The turn I am obviously betting for value. I barrel the river in case villain happened to make a weak low, and given the action thus far I think it's unlikely he has the 32 to scoop me.

Revolution Gaming Network - $0.50 PL Hi/Lo (9 max) - Omaha - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (UTG+1): $47.97
MP: $5.12
MP+1: $47.15
LP: $56.00
CO: $22.42
BTN: $24.25
SB: $50.29
BB: $34.00
UTG: $16.44

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has A T Q 3

fold, Hero raises to $1.75, MP calls $1.75, MP+1 calls $1.75, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($6.00, 3 players) T 5 9
Hero bets $4.00, fold, MP+1 calls $4.00

Turn: ($14.00, 2 players) A
Hero bets $14.00, MP+1 calls $14.00

River: ($42.00, 2 players) 4
Hero raises to $28.22 and is all-in

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Old 06-29-2012, 05:46 PM   #2
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Re: (AQ3)(T) from UTG+1, 50plo8: is this spewy?

you're wise to open ABBW-suited, even from EP, IMO.

on the river, if you check and he can beat what you hold, he's shoving himself, so no real point in check/calling.

looks fine. I dare to say "standard".
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Old 06-29-2012, 07:27 PM   #3
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Re: (AQ3)(T) from UTG+1, 50plo8: is this spewy?

Thanks for your input. I guess what's giving me second thoughts about the hand is the turn play. I have a fairly strong hand for high, but cannot make a low, and so many river cards suck for my hand (Anything above a T could make a straight or a better Aces-up, anything below a 9 puts a low and might also make a straight possible, to say nothing of the bdfd). I'm still learning as I go, and I'm learning that trying to "protect" these mediocre one-way hands where villain will have decent equity almost no matter what his hand is, can lead to disaster. Do you tend to dial back the aggression in cases such as this, or is that thinking overly nitty?

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Old 06-29-2012, 08:20 PM   #4
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Re: (AQ3)(T) from UTG+1, 50plo8: is this spewy?

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Thanks for your input. I guess what's giving me second thoughts about the hand is the turn play.
You're out of position. That's the problem.

If you don't bet, Villain probably does. And if that happens, then I think you should call. However, by playing that way, you lose your "fold equity" (that is you lose the possibility of causing Villain to fold to your bet).

Then it's basically the same thing again on the river.

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I have a fairly strong hand for high, but cannot make a low, and so many river cards suck for my hand (Anything above a T could make a straight or a better Aces-up, anything below a 9 puts a low and might also make a straight possible, to say nothing of the bdfd).
Lots of things can go wrong for you on the river. That's for sure.

I don't fault you for raising pre-flop but I wouldn't (raise pre-flop) and for a variety of reasons, including simply because I don't want to chase anyone out of this pot. A lot of people who post here disagree with my general lack of aggressiveness on the first betting round. (I get tired of defending that aspect of my play).

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I'm still learning as I go, and I'm learning that trying to "protect" these mediocre one-way hands where villain will have decent equity almost no matter what his hand is, can lead to disaster. Do you tend to dial back the aggression in cases such as this, or is that thinking overly nitty?
If you don't raise pre-flop, and if nobody else does either, then there are probably more opponents who see this flop. And in that case you don't have a very good fit with this flop and probably would be wise to fold to a bet.

But since you have gotten it down to just two opponents seeing the flop, chances are neither of them has a good fit with this particular flop either. And in that case if you bet the flop, maybe they'll both fold. With only two opponents, I'd bet the whole pot after this flop, not two thirds of the pot. I don't know if that would make a difference or not.

Trouble is, they're both behind you. If one of them calls, then you're in this awkward position. Meh.

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Old 06-29-2012, 08:34 PM   #5
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Re: (AQ3)(T) from UTG+1, 50plo8: is this spewy?

I'm indifferent to PF. Raise or limp, whatevs.

As played, turn is good.

River is better of two meh options, I suppose.
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Re: (AQ3)(T) from UTG+1, 50plo8: is this spewy?

Checking flop is a reasonable alternative.
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Old 07-03-2012, 12:26 PM   #7
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Meh, you just give his overpairs license to take the pot away, and his draws a free card. Don't like check flop unless its to c/f and 3 ways, that seems weak.
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Re: (AQ3)(T) from UTG+1, 50plo8: is this spewy?

If you want to get aggro in this hand I much prefer c/r turn
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Re: (AQ3)(T) from UTG+1, 50plo8: is this spewy?

I think it is too easy for villain to check back on the turn to try to get in a c/r.
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I think it is too easy for villain to check back on the turn to try to get in a c/r.
Yeah, when it works, it's awesome. When it doesn't (and he checks back), you hate life on a lot of rivers.
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:55 PM   #11
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on the river, if you check and he can beat what you hold, he's shoving himself, so no real point in check/calling.
Glad someone else said it, I'm having trouble communicating this point..

I'd play this hand pretty much the same. Occasionally I might check the flop but usually just bet. No option on turn and river.
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