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06-20-2016 , 06:33 AM

OmahaDonk

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We usually play 1-2-5 Big O, 200-700 so I have no incentive to defend blinds. Today it's 5-5 Big O, 200-3000 and I thought I'd try this. A little help please.

Villain: Old man, local legend. Same as in other hand I just posted. Tight solid, great live reads (4K eff).

Hero in BB with K

Pre: Villain raises to 20, 6 folds, hero calls 15.
Flop (45) : A

Hero checks, villain 45, Hero 180, villain calls.
Turn (405) : T

Hero 405, villain tank calls.
River (1215) : 6

Hero...

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06-20-2016 , 08:45 AM

wabomushroom

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I'd bet big and hold my breath in hopes he folds

I'm guessing he has A+ld with a possible gut shot or something similar. Maybe even some baby fd he played as blockers. I'm assuming he doesn't raise many A-less hands UTG.

A + nld would probably play back at as on the flop.

We've played the hand strong and we can legitimately represent a nut low and a strong high hand.

If we get called we're happy to be quartered.

I don't know what to expect if we check. I'm guessing he bets a high percentage if he's solid. We can't really call in that case. So it's either we give up or try.

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06-20-2016 , 09:58 AM

FRGCardinal

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The flop check-raise represents a great two-way hand, and your apparent "draw" came in on the turn. The fact he called at all, makes me think he's hoping for a low. Would he call without the NL draw? If not, that river hosed you big time, and any bluff attempt is spew.

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06-20-2016 , 02:07 PM

Clearweather

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c/f. Cannot find a reason to do anything else, I Like the play tho.

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06-20-2016 , 03:32 PM

OmahaDonk

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Originally Posted by FRGCardinal

Would he call without the NL draw? If not, that river hosed you big time, and any bluff attempt is spew.

Sent via 2 tin cans and string

He can have hands like AA, AT:cc, A23, AT258, etc

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06-20-2016 , 05:58 PM

amok

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I don't like the flop play at all, you just have so many better hands to do that with. Turn wp obv, river I'd start with a check.

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06-21-2016 , 02:32 AM

wabomushroom

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Originally Posted by amok

I don't like the flop play at all, you just have so many better hands to do that with. Turn wp obv, river I'd start with a check.

I expect our villain bets the majority of times we check to him. Do we call in this case? We're calling for half in the best scenario for us...

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06-21-2016 , 04:45 AM

omybike

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if you raise this flop you have no clue about this game. this not holdem, split equitys works different. you have also no clue About what % of time you get a fold here. But that normal for classic life player.

I could go in some explaining about range vs range and that you should maybe not even have raising range at all on this flop. but it just to advantage for life player i guess

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06-21-2016 , 05:03 AM

OmahaDonk

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Originally Posted by omybike

I could go in some explaining about range vs range and that you should maybe not even have raising range at all on this flop. but it just to advantage for life player i guess

You never got live reads and try to exploit? lol online pros.

Do you wear a bunch of scarves?

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06-21-2016 , 10:40 AM

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greybeard33

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You're almost a 2:1 dog to a top 15% hand containing an A, which seems extremely likely given that villain is solid tight/local legend/old man/raising from EP (not to mention 6 folds in between the two of you). Did you have a different read?

Dislike flop, like turn, and don't think there is much to do but hope he checks river behind you. Oh, I forgot he makes great live reads too though, so he probably won't.

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06-21-2016 , 11:04 AM

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amok

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Originally Posted by wabomushroom

I expect our villain bets the majority of times we check to him. Do we call in this case? We're calling for half in the best scenario for us...

Depends. Sizing, timing, possible live tells.

I don't think bet-folding the river is a bad play anyway.

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06-21-2016 , 11:26 AM

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OmahaDonk

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Originally Posted by greybeard33

I thought this Axx flop would destroy a lot of his hands. I assume he's cbetting utg vs bb pretty much always. I thought he was weak on flop and I thought my hand was too weak to call. Should I be folding? Sure. Did I randomly make a play with the top of my folding range? Yup.

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06-21-2016 , 11:34 AM

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OmahaDonk

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Originally Posted by wabomushroom

I don't know what to expect if we check. I'm guessing he bets a high percentage if he's solid. We can't really call in that case. So it's either we give up or try.

We respect each other's game. He might be old and tight, but he's fearless when it comes to trusting his gut. He's an old school player - set up the kids to bluff you, catch them bluffing.

I don't think he's betting the river without a straight or nut low. Maybe AA23 but that hand would have fastplayed flop.

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06-21-2016 , 11:37 AM

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OmahaDonk

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River (1215)
Hero 1215, villain folds.

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06-21-2016 , 12:02 PM

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omybike

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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk

You never got live reads and try to exploit? lol online pros.

At first this can sound as point, the difference is: if online players plays life they crushing those life player if life players plays online they get crushed.

If this game does not run around you, this game is softer then averge 0.25/0.50 game online.

I feel bad for wasting my time in other topic seriously debating strategy

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06-21-2016 , 12:17 PM

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omybike

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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk

River (1215)
Hero 1215, villain folds.

o ok then your flop raise is very good

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06-21-2016 , 12:33 PM

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RichGangi

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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk

We respect each other's game. He might be old and tight, but he's fearless when it comes to trusting his gut. He's an old school player - set up the kids to bluff you, catch them bluffing.

This makes me really dislike your play here. It worked tho, so well done.

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06-21-2016 , 01:13 PM

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OmahaDonk

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Originally Posted by omybike

o ok then your flop raise is very good

I never said or implied that. If I thought or knew it was good I wouldn't have posted it or asked for advice.

But immediately dismissing it as spew with no analysis is not useful or necessary. Either break down why or stop attacking every one of my posts.

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06-21-2016 , 02:24 PM

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greybeard33

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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk

[x] tight old man
[ ] great live reads

I didn't think the Axx would destroy his hand but you obv had a different read so interesting to see how it played out. Turn sure made it seem like he had nld at least so wonder what he did have. Nice blind defense.

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06-21-2016 , 02:59 PM

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user12345

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After flop c/r potting river is somewhat imperative since you would have more straights and wheel cards defending bb than utg and you are at very bottom of your range w K-high for high but I agree c/r-ing flop is optimistic.

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06-21-2016 , 04:20 PM

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omybike

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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk

This are huge beginner mistakes there are lot of argument giving already. That you luck you hit the best turn in the deck (not even joking) shows that you totally dont understand how this game i am not going say where your thinking goes wrong (i know where) because you are some arrogant live donk who does not wanna admit online player are superior

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06-21-2016 , 05:05 PM

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OmahaDonk

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Originally Posted by omybike

I am better at 9 max live. You are better at 2-6 max online. Why is that a problem?

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06-21-2016 , 05:06 PM

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OmahaDonk

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This hand is not a hand I normally play and I had no clue what to do

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06-21-2016 , 05:09 PM

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OmahaDonk

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Originally Posted by greybeard33

I know which players have good reads and neutralize them. This guy has a great hero decision percentage.

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06-21-2016 , 06:26 PM

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omybike

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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk

I am better at 9 max live. You are better at 2-6 max online. Why is that a problem?

this what i mean life players are 10x worse in any typ. That you really think adding couple players to table give life players edge over online player is just funny.

Online players think about deep math concepts life players can not even figure ring out by simple counting that you can not play life big o with 9 players.
i rest my case

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