He says its good to put in extra bets with a HI-only hand in his book for example 9TJQ double s00ted. Is this considered good play if I 4-bet cap pre-flop vs 1,2 or 3 opponents?

I wouldn't listen to anything Farha says about poker.

Farha has a book?is it somewhere free online?

btw Mike Matusow says basically the same thing in an article,he says if there are raises and calls from solid/tight players in EP,they probably all have good low hands meaning that a ton of low cards are out so flop is more likely to come high!

Are you talking about the book, Farha on Omaha? If so, I don't think that's quite what he wrote. (He mentions position and other bettors).

Whatever he did suggest, I don't think there's only one successful Omaha-8 style. I think you should "play your opponents." I think what would be a successful style against one group of opponents might not work as well against a different number of opponents. I fully realize that's easier said than done... but that's what makes poker, including Omaha-8 poker, a game of skill.

Sammy Farha is a good Omaha-8 player. I think he probably recognizes that.

By "this" do you mean your first sentence or 4-betting pre-flop vs one, two, or three opponents?

Assuming you're asking if you should 4-bet cap pre-flop vs one, two, or three opponents, I think it depends on how you've played other hands, how your opponents are likely to read you, how your opponents are likely to react, and other nuances of the situation.

That's my opinion.

Buzz

• We have a separate thread dedicated to discussion of books. I'll leave this thread here for a short while and then merge it with that other thread (a stickee).

It's 4 card limit pre. ... how bad can it be

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation

540,670 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
QxJxTy9y	26.31%	91,326	188,720	5,753	0	0
15%	22.78%	44,060	106,015	16,114	55,298	96,562
10%	24.47%	46,947	103,981	17,797	66,689	110,087
5%	26.44%	53,419	114,278	17,837	69,514	114,651

The problem I have with this is that you cap and think hey I have decent equity and it works out great when you flop the joint with redraws, but a decent amount of that equity is going to come from where you flop like a top pair or a queen high flush draw on a 2 or 3 low card board, bad RIO spots that I have no trouble folding in a 3 BB pot but your in a lot of trouble when you cap pre multiway and flop a hand like this. If these spots are really easy for you to play correctly go ahead though.

Do you know this to be true Buzz? I've never played LO8 with him but from what I've seen in other games I have trouble believing he wouldn't be the fish on a table of competent opponents.

Also I think there's a good chance he had little to do with writing this book but that's also just conjecture on my part,

I like (QJ)(T9) hands better four handed than three handed and I don't like them at all two handed.

Meh.

Sammy Farha is a better poker Omaha-8 player than I am. He might be able to make the hand (QJ)(T9) work for him better than I can make it work for me.

Meh. I don't know. I think of QxJxTy9y, QxJyTx9y, or QxJyTy9x as speculative hands. I like to see the flop with them, and I base a lot on what I sense from my reads of my opponents. (I play more face-to-face than on-line). I want to get out cheaply when I don't like what I see and feel.

With speculative hands, I'd rather put in multiple bets after I like what I see and feel than before I have much of an idea. In Omaha-8, I have a much better idea where I stand after the flop.

I suppose everybody does, but hopefully I'm able to process the information better than my opponents. And if I can, then I think that translates to having a skill edge over my opponents.

Playing fixed-limit Omaha-8, you can get the pot large enough before the flop that everyone is more or less obliged to see the hand through to the show down. In other words, if too much goes into the pot before the flop, you and also your opponents are stuck in the pot. I suppose there's some skill involved in realizing you're stuck in the pot and not folding when everyone has favorable odds to continue... but that seems to take a minimum of skill. It's just a matter of having guts enough to hang in there.

Just my opinion.

Buzz

Farha won the bracelet in the 2006 World Series of Poker $5,000 Omaha-8 event.
Farha won the bracelet in the 2010 World Series of Poker $10,000 Omaha-8 event.

That's a distinct possibility.

Buzz

I don't ascribe a ton of value to bracelets personally, there are more than a few notable cash game fish among multi bracelet winners. I can't deny a positive correlation though, and I would imagine his style is better suited to tournaments in LO8.

In general I don't see a guy who hates folding as much as he seems to being a winner in a tough full ring limit game.

Yeh, this is mostly how I feel too ... OP didn't make it clear that the advice from the book was for 2-3 EP tight players in the pot, but a later responder did. With all that information (we have position and very likely a lot of dead low cards), I like playing it ... although, much like you, I wouldn't be raising (but that might well be good).

So 3ways its good to spazz with 4 overcards (connected, suited). Thanks for all answers

edit: (maybe going more easy if hand has an ace in it (non suited).