Bovada OMAHA HiLo $13 6-max SNG - Level 5 (75/150)

BTN (Hero): 1,745 [9 6 3 5]
SB: 1,095
BB: 6,160

Hero limps, SB calls, BB checks

*** FLOP *** [4 8 9] - 450
SB checks, BB bets 300, Hero calls, SB calls

*** TURN *** [4 8 9] [A] - 1350
SB check, BB bets 1350, Hero ??


CL has been playing pretty passive. Raised PF twice in the last 12 hands, folded twice, and limped/checked the rest. Pretty passive post-flop too so the turn bet caught me off guard.

I like the limp on the button pre...
I would just jam flop to save myself a tough decision on a lot of turns.

As played probably jamming turn bec. BB is unlikely to have a 2 way hand that beats us, and SB will fold almost everything once we jam.

Even if we are wrong we can always river the 2 of hearts and scoop.

preflop

fold > raise > limp

fwiw: game dynamic/table dynamic has an impact and i'm unfamiliar with both

for Hero's hand to be played +$EV, hero basically needs expectations of winning dead$ w/o showdown or to scoop often. I don't see either happening with enough frequency.


having limped

i think getting out of the way (folding flop) is likely best +$EV.

**in this situation i probably shove more often then it is correct

You US players really love your limps

Wasn't sure I wanted the SB to fold and risk getting scooped on my end, so that's why I didn't jam flop. Once he just flats the flop, his chips are going in no matter what - even if I jam turn (I think?).

I should probably just stop posting these for reasons you mentioned. I knew if I just limped SB would call so it seemed best to drag him in with my 2-way hand. If CL was more aggressive, would have been much more likely to fold pre. Seemed like I had too much equity to fold on the flop (almost 40% against random A2 and another top 10% hand) but certainly there is ICM-incentive to do so.



Meh if I loved it that much, probably wouldn't have posted it. Do you have a limping range on the button here or 99.9% raise/fold?

The issue I have is you have focused on postflop and ngftw has rightly raised the preflop decision as the biggest issue. You haven't explained your decision preflop fully.

If you raise you have little to no fold equity. Stack sizes are not conducive to raising. Sb can just ship and you have to call it off in not great shape. Bb can flat his whole range if sb folds, and this hand won't play great post flop. Alternatively, he just ships and again mathematically you cannot fold and are therefore putting yourself in a bad $ev spot. If you raise fold it is even worse.

Limping is also bad. If I am BB I am snap raising a limp here if sb folds or if sb limps behind also-you would have to fold. He should be exploiting the stack sizes. Limping to make this multiway where you are going to have few easy decisions postflop is bad poker.

Ngftw has pretty much nailed it. Fold>>>>raise>>>>>>>>>>limp.

Basically what streity said. It's pretty rare that I ever limp in PLO8. I do see a lot of limping when I play on US sites. I'm not exactly sure why this is the case but it does amuse me. That's not to say that having a limp range in certain situations is bad. It's just something that I personally have never incorporated into my game and in general most players I see who do a lot of limping tend to be weaker players.

feel like on Bovada passive chip leaders let you get away with limping the button, and the 9653 double suited flops well so it is a good hand and stack sizes are right to do it with... prolly not optimal against reasonable players though.

Makes sense. Would have folded to a more competent V but as played wanted to get sb to make the mistake.

Touche.

Thanks for the good advice everyone.

It's PL, limping is sometimes useful for pot-control and also for balancing your image. Give a good player too much of an idea of a wide potting range/slim limp range and they will start calling pots with good counter hands to that range, especially in the SB/BB with a discount or if they know raiser isn't great at post-flop play.

It's not a 100% clear fold here, but the decision isn't between limp/fold because pot control and image aren't really important at his point. It's between fold/pot and the correct decision depends on what reads your have on BB mainly, since SB will fold nearly all of his range to our pot in hopes we bust out. The more fold equity we feel we have against BB then the more likely potting him should be here, regardless of our slight lead on 3rd. The stacks are a bit misleading for this hand since blinds will hit us before the short stack, we are actually at a bit of a disadvantage if we shut down now.

Blinds are still a bit low, which is the only reason here to fold this some of the time and pot some of the time. As blinds go up, the pot % in situations like these go up. Big stack either doesn't realize he's had massive fold equity or he's maintaining a non-aggressive image until blinds get a bit higher and he can steal more before others become aware of it. Either way, we should take advantage of his lack of aggression and try to put some distance between us and short stack while we can. Also it puts us in a better position to play for first, which is 75% of the prize pool in these. Since table image doesn't carry over into other games on bovada, I'm usually taking the more aggressive lines when equities run close in situations like these. Other sites, probably fold a % and pot a % of the time to keep a decent image up. Worst case situation is we get scooped roughly 1/3 of the time and that's only if it goes to showdown.