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05-25-2012, 11:04 AM
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adept
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6/12 LO8 live - turn decision
V1 is an extremely loose, passive player. Sees most flops, will peel weak draws, calls down light, etc.
V2 is loose and slightly passive. Usually his aggression means a strong made high but he is capable of raising draws or occasional lows. He is also capable of tilting when he's been losing a lot, or winning a lot, and in this case he's been running really hot.
Full table. V1 is UTG+2, V2 is MP1, Hero is BB with A  A  9  6  .
Folds to V1 who limps, V2 calls, one more caller, sb completes, Hero checks.
Flop (5 players, 5 SB): 9  9  6
Hero bets, V1 calls, V2 raises, fold, fold, Hero 3!, V1 calls, V2 caps, Hero and V1 call
Turn (3 players, 8 BB): Q
Hero ... ?
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05-25-2012, 11:22 AM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: 6/12 LO8 live - turn decision
I would lead out here. I might c/r if V2 was next to act to try to trap V1 for multiple bets, but since he's caught in the middle I would just lead out and call V2's likely raise. Calling 2 cold is prob the only think that will make V1 fold here so c/r seems like a waste. I think worrying about QQ or Q9 is MUBS here, but all the same I wouldn't go to war on the turn since the only hand we beat is 66.
One of our opponents has to be drawing dead or close to it here, so the fact that we get 1 or 2 bets in that situation outweighs the times when the Q hit someone.
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05-27-2012, 04:55 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Jul 2009
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You flopped the nuts. Great! The turn gives you the third nuts behind QQ** and Q9** and no low will happen in this hand.
Bet the turn. Maybe villains had 66** or some random 9 and might still raise you back. How many raises and when to slow down are read dependent.
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05-27-2012, 05:33 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Los Angeles, California
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Re: 6/12 LO8 live - turn decision
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Originally Posted by Groovenstein
Turn (3 players, 8 BB): Q
Hero ... ?
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Bet.
You can't afford to give a free card here. And despite all the action on the previous betting round, that's a possibility if you check.
There's only one missing nine and two missing sixes. It's possible one of your opponents has 9*** and the other has 66**. That's the most logical case for this betting.
Either that or one of your opponents has 96**, 9***, or 66** while what the other holds is a mystery, especially with all this action. Possibly the opponent without the full house has a great low draw... some hand the poor devil cannot put down, even though he should. (People do make mistakes).
Anyhow, shrug and bet the turn. You get burned if someone has Q9** or QQ**, but that's not likely. Probably one opponent will fold while the other will call or raise. If you get raised, I think you back off but call it down. If you get called, keep pumping on the river regardless of the card. It's just possible an opponent has 66** and will pay you off if you bet, but would not bet if you checked.
Make someone possibly drawing to 9*** pay to try to out draw you. Hope neither opponent has Q9** or QQ**, and don't let the fear of that show.
Bet.
Buzz
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05-27-2012, 05:58 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Israel
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Re: 6/12 LO8 live - turn decision
my default play would be betting turn and river until raised, and if raised, calling down.
you really need to be in the zone to make a check/raising attempt a more profitable line than bet/calling. once in a blue moon you might also be able to find folds in similar spots.
generally speaking, though, bet/calling would be appropriate most of the time, not overplaying your hand, and not underplaying it, either...
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05-28-2012, 09:25 AM
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Soldier of Minbet
Join Date: Apr 2008
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Re: 6/12 LO8 live - turn decision
Bet is right, there is nothing wrong with it, but I don't think if you checkraised it would get checked through. There is no way someone with three nines or sixes full is going to check on this board especially after a 3 way flop cap.
CR has a lot of merit because the pot is big so you don't mind trying to get one of them out. Normally betting to protect as the reason for betting is not the right idea unless it's in a big pot. So this qualifies. If neither goes out you get a nice 2 BB from each with likely the best hand.
Also I think if they are not full they may just call if you lead. You want more bets than that.
CR>bet>>>>>>>>>>>>>check
If called, lead river.
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05-29-2012, 02:18 PM
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adept
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Re: 6/12 LO8 live - turn decision
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Originally Posted by TheMainEvent
I would lead out here. I might c/r if V2 was next to act to try to trap V1 for multiple bets, but since he's caught in the middle I would just lead out and call V2's likely raise. Calling 2 cold is prob the only think that will make V1 fold here so c/r seems like a waste. I think worrying about QQ or Q9 is MUBS here, but all the same I wouldn't go to war on the turn since the only hand we beat is 66.
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Appreciate all the replies. I think this post sums up what I was thinking at the time. I liked b/c the turn because it's V1's death by a thousand cuts, and if V2 raised again I was likely tied at best. If someone has QQ or Q9, nh sir.
The rest of the hand, sans results:
Turn (3 players, 8 BB): Q
Hero bets, V1 calls, V2 raises, Hero calls, V1 calls
River (3 players, 14 BB): 3
Hero checks, V1 checks, V2 bets, Hero calls, V1 folds
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05-29-2012, 02:53 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Aug 2008
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Re: 6/12 LO8 live - turn decision
Personally I don't think bet, 3 bet should be out of the question here. A29 puts in a lot of action plus naked low draws calling I would b inclined to 3 bet turn.
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05-29-2012, 04:40 PM
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adept
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Re: 6/12 LO8 live - turn decision
Turn killed the low. And both villains, for all their faults, know how to read the board.
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05-30-2012, 06:15 AM
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adept
Join Date: Dec 2011
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Fine as played
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