My regular loose passive 4/8 game. Villian is competent and is one of the few in the game who can be aggressive without the nuts but he's rarely out of line.

I limp under the gun with A824, and it limps around to 6 or 7 way action.

Flop Q76 with one diamond. I check and it checks around. Does anyone bet here?

Turn 3.

Blinds check to me and I bet. Villian raises and drives out everyone else.

Is this a no-brainer reraise here? Does the decision change if there are 1 or more callers in between?

I never rely on someone else to do the betting if I know that they're very passive. So to answer your question, yes, I bet this flop. And if I haven't seen him do this with his nut lows(along w/any pair) then I'm 100% raising this on the turn. The more players in the pot, the more you should be raising this turn. It would suck if he actually held A2 cause your A8 will never take high if you fail to hit something, but given your description of him, I think I'm more inclined to raise than not to raise.

Just an aside, in general, it's important to build pots early on not to mention that if a high card hits the turn, you will have lost quite a bit of equity in this hand, so, bet the hand on the flop when your draw/s are at their strongest and when your opponents are likely to still be interested.

Yes, I would bet the flop and reraise the turn.
Absolutely more essential to reraise the turn if there are other players who have already called the raise. If other players have only called one bet, then maybe it makes sense to just call. This is one situation where reraising to get them to fold their equity isn't going to much good.

Don't know why you guys think this flop is a no brainer bet, all he has is a low draw. I would be more likely to raise preflop. As played would bet turn but not 3 bet.

He doesn't just have a low draw, he has a gutshot and a running nut flush draw. This is significant equity on both sides in a 6 or 7 way pot.

OK.

Yes. I bet here. Call it a semi-bluff for lack of a better term.

OK.

Bummer when you have the half pot low nuts plus a free draw for high and everyone folds. I want to make a "revenge" raise, but I'd restrain myself. It's just a call. Close, though.

I don't think so. I see that Rush has commented, but I haven't read his comment yet. Be interesting to me to see what others have to say.

No.

I'll post and then read comments by others.

Buzz

I totally agree about betting the flop. This is a drawing game. I don't always wait to hit my draw to bet in multi way pots. If you do, you might not get paid off.

In general, don't rely on someone else to bet your hand. Plus with that many people in, it is likely someone else has and A2. Bet it early while lots of people are still in the pot. If you get quartered, you might still come out ahead or break even. Plus you still have a few ways to hit the high side.

Why is it likely that someone else has A2? Even in a full ring game, if you have A2, the chance of someone else also being dealt is signifcantly less than 50% (I don't know the exact %...I think around 1/3?). And there's nothing in the preflop action that suggests anyone has a very strong hand.

Betting flop looks good with so many players, and moreso when players are routinely limping with substandard hands.

Re-raising the turn is pretty marginal. Even when we have the equity edge to make it worthwhile (often) it probably reduces how much we make on the river. Nothing wrong with it but not good enough to be considered mandatory

Knowing where Villian is positionally makes a difference, if he is in the blinds or Late position prolly 3 bet bec. his range less weighted toward ace 2 with a bunch of limpers ahead of him.. so he is more likely to have a hand like 45 than Ace2.. if he is in early position I guess in theory its a call but in game you have uncounterfeitable nut low and nut diamonds and the gutterball so **** him and make it 3 bets .

I'm betting flop/calling turn/calling river ui.

Yeah, not betting flop I was kicking myself. Big mistake there for sure, I know.

To some of the points/questions in the other posts, he was to my left, UTG+1. He plays a lot of hands, as do most folks in this game, so honestly a limp that early from him can mean just about anything other than middling/uncoordinated garbage.

He plays reasonably well post-flop (for this group for sure), and like I said he doesn't need the nuts to bet here as others in the game do, so he knew raising's only point was to drive others out. I figured less of a chance of A2 unless he had at least a pair with it. Probably more of a chance of set/2p/straight.

I'm admittedly surprised (happily) to see more debate around repopping the turn. With an unbreakable made low and diamond draw (and gutshot, which I admit I missed at the table), if even one more body comes in I'm going 3 bets no question, but heads up I guess it is closer than I thought.

In loose games I raise this pre but that's sort of stylistic but I think your leaving money on the table by not doing so. The flop is an automatic bet you have nut low draw with counterfeit protection a gutter and a back door flush draw, ie more than enough. Flops check thru way too much in these games to let this one do so. The turn is much closer as he should have nut low plus some pair or 45 but I would 3bet most players because the have more 45xx hands getting free rolled and we have good equity against anything

I thinking limping UTG here is fine. Raising is probably OK too depending on your opponents, but you'd rather have a multiway pot with this hand.

Note that this unlike the 6/12 hand recently posted with A23T in the SB, where I think not raising is a clear mistake.

I go by this sentiment and in higher stakes games I will limp this sort of hand early but after the years in looser games I just raise it and watch them call two bets which at these levels they pretty much always do. Obv if you really think raising would cut the field limping is fine/good I just usually think its not the case. Definitely not a big deal unlike the hand referenced and has much to do with personality and style

Limp pre is ok. At this level, recommended. Bet flop. People are more inclined to peel one off with say 9T, a bare Q, KK, 67 type hands. Definitely want to bet to set up your turn play. But since we've checked and are now going to bet once we get there, there isn't too much merit in 3!. I guess we're drawing to a diamond or 5 ball. The A won't help ever. The 3! helps when you catch a diamond/5 on the river and can barrel.

Raise pre. Bet flop. Then maybe just call turn raise. As played. Three turn. Why people limp with these hands I don't get. It doesn't make you more money. It makes you less

I bet the flop here, and go for a check raise on the turn. I speculate that when the villain bets out on the turn you are likely to get a few callers in between who usually will put the extra one or two bets in after they already put the first bet in. Just my personal experience. You are free rolling for the high and are un-counterfeitable for the low. Maybe you get quartered, but having the extra players in on the turn, turns it into a potential profitable situation if you only make the nut low.

I would lead the flop. Nut low draw and bd Flush/gutter combo is barely good enough for me to lead. We want to charge A3, 23, and other weak lows here because if they get counterfeited on the turn, they make an easy and correct fold.

As played betting the turn is fine and because it is now HU, I think a call is best.

My standard w/this type of player is lead flop, call turn intending to check raise flush rivers, or call down unimproved.

If there are multiple callers in between, then yes I am reraising to increase equity vs. subpar/2nd best hands.

With only one reraising me on the turn / I'm calling until I'm more comfortable/confident in that I'm taking at least 3/4's of the pot on the river.