No reads really, doesn't seem like a spaz though.



Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 5 players
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Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is BTN with Q 3 5 A
UTG calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB checks

Flop: (5 SB) 9 4 A (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO bets, Hero calls, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls

Turn: (4.5 BB) 2 (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, CO bets, Hero raises, SB folds, UTG folds, CO 3-bets, Hero calls

River: (10.5 BB) 5 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets, CO folds



Jam turn? Check behind river?

I think i raise pf. And 4b turn.

I wouldn't.

No. Bet is fine.

Buzz

Why are we betting the river? He's never folding a wheel. Are we hoping he'll fold a six-high straight or small flush? Is he ever calling with worse than a wheel? I just don't see a board with four to a wheel, and three to a not-backdoor flush, as a particularly good value spot when all we have is a wheel.

I admit that I don't know shorthanded, online play, so I could be wrong on that. I also admit that the pot is now large, so he will be tempted to call with hands he might not in a small pot.

If we think he's bad enough to not have a wheel here we should have 4-bet the turn. Otherwise we should be checking behind on the river. Just calling the turn 3-bet and betting the river contradict each other in my mind.

Agreed. I also can't make sense of Villain's turn and river play. What leads the flop, b/3! the turn, then k/f that river?

Villain is either horrible or misclicked. We can extrapolate that from this hand alone.

As I had no reads before the hand, I had to take a 'vs unknown' line. When he 3-bets the turn, I assumed he has the same hand as me, and with no re-draws I thought I'm getting free-rolled.

When he checks the river, I bet because I couldn't see how he checks better, and if I've got the best hand, then I should bet in case he levels himself into a bad call.

Looking at it now, I could easily be value-owning myself vs a 6-high straight w/ the wheel who thinks I've binked spades. Whether x/c is the right move for him w/ that hand I'm not so sure, but passive villains will do this I'm sure.

If he has us quartered, then going for a river c/r from time to time seems to me like expert play...

preflop - I'd raise. it's SH and we have a strong hand OTB behind a couple of weak LP limps.

flop - As played, i'd fold. small pot, bad relative position, and by calling we keep the pot multiway, in which case neither our high nor low is going to be good very often (unless we bink a deuce, OBV).
once in a while I might raise, depending, but not call.

side note - if you flat the flop in these spots, you REALLY need to raise preflop so that the pot size would justily continuing.

turn - raise/calling is fine. prepare to take notes on how villian plays these spots (wheel completing turn card).

river - villian's check is surprising. much of the time, it'd mean we get at least half. I don't mind checking behind to secure note taking. Nothing wrong with betting, of course...

Villain had AAxx, IMO, and hoped to rep the wheel with the 3-bet, figuring if called, he still had outs to boat up and get half if you weren't folding. The only way to play it worse was for him to call that river. :P

4 bet turn and bet river

I'm on board with 4-betting the turn, because there should be very few 35xx hands that can bet the flop. I mean, AA35, 9935???, 2235???, 4435???. It's also difficult for him to have a flush draw + 35xx on the flop (which also might be worth betting), because we have the 3 and the Ace on the flop is the A.

good point on the 35+spades.
however, villian could bet 356, A35, not to mention 235 with is pretty strong on this flop.
note that nothing much said about hero's flop call. if hero's allowed to call with relatively little, why can't villian bet with roughly the same?

Sure, he can bet all those hands. But what we're trying to figure out is whether to 4-bet the turn, and the only reason we shouldn't is if we're worried we're getting freerolled. While there are some hands that villain can play this way and have us freerolled, there aren't a whole lot that logically make sense.

If villain has 235, A35, there's no reason not to 4-bet the turn, because he's not freerolling us.