Hello. I`m mostly holdem MTT player, but started to play PLO//PLO8 some time ago.

IT`s PLO8 MTT -- 9 left, 9 ITM.

Villain is 34/16 (250 hands)

FT started several hands ago and Villain has already opened for pot twice.
Last hand he opened HJ, I flatcalled BTN and he c/f-ed on 654hh.

I run 30/26/6 - 3bet.

Players behind are mostly nitty.

PartyGaming - $20+$2|600/1200 PL Hi/Lo - Omaha - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: 22,069.00
UTG+1: 13,280.00
MP: 36,514.00
MP+1: 18,723.00
LP: 6,750.00
Hero (CO): 51,656.00
BTN: 10,649.00
SB: 29,868.00
BB: 20,491.00

SB posts SB 600.00, BB posts BB 1,200.00

Pre Flop: (1800.00) Hero has 7 K 3 K

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 4,200.00, fold, Hero...

I`m curious if I`m missing some value opportunities, considering it`s MTT (payouts are top heavy) and how shallow we are.
I thought it`s an easy fold, before I made some simulations and it seems this hand plays not bad vs top 20-25% hands.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
Kx7xKy3z	47.56%	185,496	314,462	1,880	95,280	4,355
A[5-]RR!K, A[5-]$R$R	52.44%	212,825	283,658	1,880	211,120	4,355

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
Kx7xKy3z	47.57%	191,029	318,931	3,823	80,659	5,572
25%	52.43%	218,176	277,246	3,823	233,569	5,572

What`s minimal hand you`d flat//3bet here, considering villain was very active?
Or is it just a spew to play KK** at spots like these this shallow?

Tempting to make a pot sized reraise, isn't it. You could raise to T14,400. If he calls he has only T4,323 left and is more or less pot committed.

A pertinent question is, "Might he possibly fold to your raise?"

I don't know the answer, but on the basis of your description I think even if he calls, you're in pretty good shape. That is, I don't think he necessarily has aces for his raise.

Yes. You are if you fold. (But I can understand folding in a tournament). For me it would be a tough choice. I would not limp here. I'd either fold or, if I thought Villain might back away, I'd raise to T14,400.

It's not a bad hand for heads-up play.

I don't know. For me it varies with the particular opponent and situation. "villain was very active" doesn't narrow it enough for me.

I don't know what you mean by "this shallow." But even knowing, it's a tough question to answer. A pair of kings in a starting Omaha-8 hand is no where near as strong as a pair of kings in a starting Texas hold 'em hand.

But in this case you're the tournament leader. You can be the chip bully if you like.

Since you're doing so well, maybe you should tell us how to play instead of the other way around.

Buzz

From CO i fold this hand and wait for a better spot.

Surprised. I think tournaments are about flipping and trying to get everything or nothing and cash games are about picking good value spots.
So, on that basis, I`d sooner fold it in cash game and I think it`s an easy fold in the cash game!!?? (though, it`s rarely the case for cash games since stacks are so shallow)


Yes, but as a PLO8 newbie I`m pretty bad in understanding relative hand strength at different stack sizes.
So, it`s better you tell me what can be better here

Ty.

its a fold

Also, mates, is it the best way to describe hand like A3QQ (but not KK)?

Billygstar, would you change your mind if it was smth like KK32$ds?

yeah i would mostly flat with kk23. OR has about 17 bigs so i wouldnt be 3 betting unless he has been opening often with garbage.

kk37is a pretty terrible hand to get 17 bigs eff in with and it plays pretty **** multi way too.