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Originally Posted by NickMPK
But in a limit game, position and reverse implied odds are almost never worth giving away more than 10% in equity.
I just want to praise this sentence. I used to beg for exactly this sort of analysis.
I used post preflop equities and my estimates of why I estimated that RIO shouldn't be bad enough to offset them. No no no, people would tell me, you just don't understand. O8 is a postflop game, and it doesn't matter an iota what your preflop equity is. You just can't compare the two.
Well, IO clearly matters, because thin preflop edges don't justify taking the worst of it on two big rounds and a small one. If I can't play my hands well postflop, I'm going to often give up two or three small bets chasing maybe a small bet or less in preflop equity.
But conversely, there's a point where the pot's so large and our equity is so good that preflop equity matters. [snip reductio ad absurdum unless someone disputes this] but the point is, there must be some point at which your preflop equity matters. I wanted to know where that point is, and no one but me seemed to think it a worthy topic of conversation.
So thanks, Nick.
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That said--I'm struggling to fit together that we got maybe a 75th percentile flop for this hand and still can't play on. I guess it really is true that we're almost set-mining, or mining for a flop with exactly six-five, but both top set of nines and the good wrap still usually chop the pot.
I guess in that light, we're OK folding a lot of equity on the flop because of RIO (hold'em comparison: 99 will sometimes be ahead on K76 two-suited multiway but unable to play on), so who cares that we fold more than 80% of flops?
Still seems like a marginal call pre, not a clear one. Except for the flopped boats etc., seems like the best flops for this hand aren't that great, and the vast majority of flops are at best mediocre like this one.
Last edited by AKQJ10; 12-05-2014 at 04:52 PM.