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03-02-2016 , 01:10 PM
Dealer picks the game and I am BTN shortstacking sat with £90. All villains are 200bb+ deep and itching to give it away.

I am dealt 9775ds. A **** hand.

3 limps to me and I check my small blind option on the BTN. BB checks.

Pot: £12
Flop As3d3h

Checked to me I bet £12.

Reason: they all checked and it's a dryish board so i could pick up the pot here.

was this an awful bet because of the board texture and game dynamics?

Last edited by Buzz; 03-02-2016 at 05:07 PM. Reason: second 3d->3h
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03-02-2016 , 01:11 PM
cant bluff 4 guys and your hand is too weak to go for value
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03-02-2016 , 02:00 PM
Check Fold, even a 7 on the turn im just checking down
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03-02-2016 , 03:20 PM
Not a level?
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03-02-2016 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by streityboy
Not a level?
no level, no troll
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03-02-2016 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by pandick
on the turn im just checking down
Why? You saying 7 comes and it checks 4 ways u aint betting to try to get a bad low to fold?
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03-02-2016 , 04:11 PM
The flop is not correct, you have 3d twice. You don't mention if you have 0,1 or 2 backdoor flushdraws.

If you bluff with this hand, you clearly over-bluff this spot. I guess you are claiming that it doesn't bother you, since you think that they over-fold. Still, it would be nice if you had at least some good turns (let's say if you had 45 for a gut shot to the wheel and/or 2 bd-fd:s).

I think weak players are check-calling a lot of mediocre hands here, like A45x and similar, so betting once is unlikely to work. I think betting this flop is -ev, even if we take meta-game into consideration. Only if they are very weak-tight and dislike check-calling, I'd be betting this hand. Note that it doesn't bother you at all if they check-raise, as against that range your equity is very weak anyway (=you can just fold and you don't lose any more money).
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03-02-2016 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by amok
The flop is not correct, you have 3d twice. You don't mention if you have 0,1 or 2 backdoor flushdraws.

If you bluff with this hand, you clearly over-bluff this spot. I guess you are claiming that it doesn't bother you, since you think that they over-fold. Still, it would be nice if you had at least some good turns (let's say if you had 45 for a gut shot to the wheel and/or 2 bd-fd:s).

I think weak players are check-calling a lot of mediocre hands here, like A45x and similar, so betting once is unlikely to work. I think betting this flop is -ev, even if we take meta-game into consideration. Only if they are very weak-tight and dislike check-calling, I'd be betting this hand. Note that it doesn't bother you at all if they check-raise, as against that range your equity is very weak anyway (=you can just fold and you don't lose any more money).
It was 3.

I dont claim anything here, I am just curious what people think, i actually think it was a mistake.
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03-02-2016 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by LUCIUS VARENUS
I dont claim anything here
Mostly I thought your thinking at the time of the play was that they are likely to give up too much.
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03-02-2016 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by amok
Mostly I thought your thinking at the time of the play was that they are likely to give up too much.
Yeah because it was a paired board with no flush draw.

I read some advice once which said try not to bluff ace high boards in O8. Maybe I should have listened to that?
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03-02-2016 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by LUCIUS VARENUS
I read some advice once which said try not to bluff ace high boards in O8. Maybe I should have listened to that?
I agree, assuming weak opposition. People don't like to fold top pair + something. For example 233r would be a preferable board to bluff, even with hands having low equity, like the one you are holding.
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03-02-2016 , 07:27 PM
looks like random button clicking
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03-03-2016 , 07:03 AM
Can I come play?
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03-03-2016 , 03:02 PM
nottingham blud
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03-03-2016 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by LUCIUS VARENUS
I am just curious what people think, i actually think it was a mistake.
Obv a mistake. Though the action isn't quite right, because you said "checked to me, I bet...", but you are in the sb, and so you are the first to act. Assuming you are indeed the sb, then yes it's a horrible lead into 4 players, and with having 0 info.
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03-05-2016 , 08:57 AM
He posted it on the button, this happens when someone who is about to be the button gets up from the table.

This is probably the only time a button straddle is optimal in PLO8.
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03-05-2016 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Hero Value
Obv a mistake. Though the action isn't quite right, because you said "checked to me, I bet...", but you are in the sb, and so you are the first to act. Assuming you are indeed the sb, then yes it's a horrible lead into 4 players, and with having 0 info.
DC games I've played in in the UK, you pick the game on the button, and post the small blind. The blinds aren't the two spots left of the button like you would expect, it's the button and left of the button. I believe it's so you actually have to put some money in the pot for the game you've picked, not just pick something everyone hates (6 card Irish) and then fold for free
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03-06-2016 , 03:04 PM
Wow, right, interesting then if so. (It should be specified in the OP or later, but nvm.)
In which case I retract it being that horrible.

I'm just on my way back home from London actually, and ai was hoping to try and get in some DC games at the Vic this weekend, but unfortunately there weren't any . I've heard from multiple that the £5/5 PL DC game is f'ing insane.
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03-07-2016 , 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Hero Value
Wow, right, interesting then if so. (It should be specified in the OP or later, but nvm.)
In which case I retract it being that horrible.

I'm just on my way back home from London actually, and ai was hoping to try and get in some DC games at the Vic this weekend, but unfortunately there weren't any . I've heard from multiple that the £5/5 PL DC game is f'ing insane.
Hey man there is always DC action up in Nottingham. We usually play £2/£2 at Alea mon, thurs, sunday. This is an absolute goldmine, liek play money level, so you should come up.

I sat last week with £100 (min buyin) and left with £450 after just 4 hours just by playing extremely nitty and waiting for good hands and playing them strongly.

Put it this way, one hand in 6o8 I had aa24KTds, preflop is something like limp, raise to 20, I definitely make it 80 in the CO which was pot (think there was a straddle on), folds to SB who calls 80 cold (LOL) two other people call who are both all in, i got 120 left, i flop TT6 no flush draw, SB checks i go all in and SB SNAP calls, board runs out 9-2, i show three tens and it's good for the side pot, and the SB did not have a ten or an ace in his hand. Didn't have an ace and he called 80 cold pre out of position. Didn't have trips or better when called my all in on the flop!!! I lost the main pot to a guy who had 78 but still won money on the side.

It's that good. They're absolutely punting it away. There's a guy that has won 15 grand+ in that game, probably the only good player in the game. I used to play it 2 years back and crushed it then as well. It's the same people week in week out.

Last edited by LUCIUS VARENUS; 03-07-2016 at 08:45 AM.
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03-07-2016 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by JackRandall
DC games I've played in in the UK, you pick the game on the button, and post the small blind. The blinds aren't the two spots left of the button like you would expect, it's the button and left of the button. I believe it's so you actually have to put some money in the pot for the game you've picked, not just pick something everyone hates (6 card Irish) and then fold for free
this is the truth
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