stupid donkament blind structures imo

if u weren't short i'd proudly raise him on flop and keep firing, not for value obv but it's way stronger than c/c, esp against the "nit" ph.

the way it is i'd probably call flop and on turn i'd puke over the table.

With 4BB and a great starting hand vs steal you should put as many bets as possible preflop and on this flop.

I don't even play limit, yet this seems like an incredibly obvious answer to me

Aces. In the emotion of the moment i forgot to notice his other two cards.

In summary, sounds like mostly a button vs. big blind cooler 4 BB deep, unavoidable, although there's some difference of opinion on whether i played too aggressively pre or too passively on the flop. And no one hates my crying call with one pair for my last bet.

I said call because I don't believe there's such a thing as pot committed in limit poker, the game is about bets, not stacks, and secondly I also believe after calling and check/folding whiffed flops you still have a playable stack.

Statement is true and applies to all forms of poker but that doesnt make it a good strategy. Also AJ25 on KJx board has very good equity.

Yep. LUCIUS makes some good points, but i'm not sure we're talking about pot commitment in the same terms.

In NLHE you reach pot commitment when the ratio of stack to pot is such that no further action can make it correct to fold your hand. Note that this is highly opponent-range-dependent. Sticking 1/3 of your stack in preflop with pocket tens and then folding to a reraise might be perfectly rational against an opponent who is only ever reraisng QQ+. But in other situations, where players might set you all-in with a variety of hands, putting in 1/3 stack and folding is terrible.

OK, so in limit we usually don't think in terms of stacks as LUCIUS has pointed out. Usually we buy in deep enough that we're not getting all-in. But that doesn't mean pot commitment isn't a useful concept. If i have 4 small bets, open raise AK47 in the CO, and get three-bet by the button, of course i'm pot-committed! I'm not folding preflop, and no flop is ever going to be so bad that i check-fold to a cbet.

How much of Hellmuth's two-barrel range do you think consists of (QT, KK, JJ, 99, 44, KJ, K9, K4)? Do you think his line of bet flop, bet turn, is consistent with A23, As2, etc hands that missed? What about thin value / protection with AA, AK?

I think your 3-bet PF ended up being important, but perhaps not in the way you expected (not criticizing it). When it gets back to villain, SB has called .75bbs and BB has 3-bet, both OOP. We know from the prior hand that he isn't hyper-aggressive (given that he played that hand very well, we might also suspect that he understands position and knows that O8 is a post-flop game). Yet he 4-bets and this should narrow his range quite a bit, although me may just figure that he might as well cap the action IP.

The flop is checked to him and he makes the .5 bb c-bet IP into a 6bb pot... hardly surprising, this doesn't narrow his range much, if at all. Villain knows that hero opened UTG w/ A248r, so he knows that hero favors low hands even OOP. He also knows hero c-bet that hand on 336dd(?) flop, so hero's check here is very likely a sign of weakness in villain's eyes.

Hero very likely has enough equity to call turn (he only needs 17.6%, assuming that villain will put him AI on river), even given villain's narrower PF 4-bet range.

After giving this hand more consideration:

As played PF, b/r or c/r flop and get the rest in on the turn if not already AI.

If hero simply called PF, then on flop there are only 3bb in pot and hero has 3.4bb behind. Hero should c/c flop and then has decision HU on turn w/ 4bb in pot and 2.9bb behind. Now hero needs 25% equity to call, which he still likely has (27% vs. AA,ABBW,ABWW... giving villain no credit for AWWL hands), assuming villain fires again on river.

Hero played hand pretty well and not much he could have done that would have made much difference (could have saved last .9bb by calling PF... or as played, could have given villain some pause with c/r on flop and decided to get it in early).

As far as your specific question:

Villain's range could definitely include KK (AKKW,KK23... possibly AKKB,KKWW, esp. d.s.), QT/KJ (AQTW,AKJW... possibly AKQJ type), K4 (AK4W,AKB4), JJ (AJJW... maybe JJWW), or even 99,K9 or 94 (AK29,A992,A249 are possible).

Can't put villain on much of a range on the flop, given that he's IP and it's checked to him. The best information is his PF 4-bet against two opponents IMO.

Villain's flop/turn line is consistent with just about any possible holdings, including A23 or As2, esp. when it's HU on the turn and again checked to him. It's also entirely consistent with a thin value/protection bet with AA or AK. Really, villain is almost certain to fire on both flop and turn, and probably river as well. He's IP and hero is giving him no reason to do anything else.

Do you think you'll recognize PH next time you see him? He's so darn tall, he really stands out in a crowd, although maybe less so at the tables (if you can't recognize his face).

If it was PLO8 or you were deeper you'd have to auto repot PF, but having 35-40% equity 3 ways isn't really enough to 3 bet here when you're not really shallow enough to happily get it in on 100% of boards and will have to c/c a bunch of flops. That said, it's not that bad.

This flop is an extremely standard c/c.

The turn is actually pretty close because it's very hard for the nine to have helped PH in any way and he's perfectly capable of bluffing this board all the way down. As a live pro it's likely also difficult for him to bet top pair here for value, so he's repping top 2 or better and his range just isn't that good. I might decide to hero call this down, although considering something like 80% of rivers are bad in some way and you're effectively calling all in if you call here that's probably a bad idea.

Either way, even if you were deeper, calling the turn means you are calling all non-queens and non-ten rivers.

I guess it depends whether you think randomness will allow u to get this money in better, later after you fold. Seems unlikely to me.

What do you mean by playable?

We are contesting a pot that is 3 ways and we have 4.4 bets left. Can someone please explain to me why we would want to save money right now instead of doing cartwheels and fist pumps and trying to put it all in the middle right now? By the way I'm being sincere. I'm somewhat familiar with short stack play in nl he tournies but have been told by very good player that in limit tournies we want to err on the side of tight. That said, I can't imagine why we wouldn't want to jam here.

Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation ?
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Equity Scoops Wins Hi Ties Hi Wins Lo Ties Lo
As Jc 5c 2h 36.23% 106,167 149,469 23,441 169,891 65,642
65% 30.82% 106,461 216,787 13,579 36,003 22,312
25% 32.95% 110,500 204,263 22,864 52,395 55,173

We gain very little EV from the extra bet going in and it ties us to the pot on a bunch of mediocre boards we'd rather be able to fold on.

I'd say that's pretty good equity for someone lying in about 950-960th.
Even so, it's too simplistic as you seem to be ignoring the fact that we've posted nearly a 1/4 of our stack from the bb already, with a raise in front, and that we may lose the 3rd player or even win the pot prior to showdown. This is repop, and repop again, and get the rest in asap on the flop. We simply will not get a better spot