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05-25-2015 , 10:30 AM

MaxValue1234

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Playing a 10/20 half kill game live. Seven-handed at the secondary table, three players limp, hero completes in SB with A

BB checks his option, to the flop:

J

Hero bets $10
BB calls $10
all other players fold

Turn: 6

Hero checks
BB bets $20
Hero calls $20

River: 6

Hero checks
BB bets $20
Hero calls $20

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05-25-2015 , 10:37 AM

dalerobk2

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Seems right. I play it exactly the same. Underfulls are always tricky. Heads up, I think you played it right.

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05-25-2015 , 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dalerobk2

Seems right. I play it exactly the same. Underfulls are always tricky. Heads up, I think you played it right.

When the 6 comes on the turn and river I think it increases my chances of my hand being good against a Jxxx combo. Because villain needs to have:

J5 (only one other five in the deck)
J6 (only two other 6's in the deck)
JJ (perfect flop)

to have me beat here. So I think checking the river and letting him bet is ideal, because I get more value out of a player with trips than if I fired the river and possibly induce a fold from a worse hand.

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05-25-2015 , 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MaxValue1234

Absolutely. I c/c river too. Like I said, I play it exactly the same.

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05-25-2015 , 11:22 AM

Rush17

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I love your hand on this double-paired board. I don't like your line at all tbh. If you thought your hand was very likely to be good, then I'm ok with c/c to induce a bet from trips, however, you lose value when you don't get the extra bet in, so imho, once he obliges again on the river, you need to c/r your full house.

The problem with checking(and this leans more towards the river play) is that, a lot of players will just check when they don't fill so you'll lose a bit of value when you chose to play it the way you did, and, in limit poker, that adds up.

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05-25-2015 , 11:24 AM

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you need to raise at every point postflop, they will bet every jack and call a raise alwayas

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05-25-2015 , 11:29 AM

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You can't let him draw for a low on the turn for cheap

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05-25-2015 , 12:13 PM

dalerobk2

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I didn't realize you checked the turn. Yeah, I bet the turn. I probably then c/c the river.

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05-25-2015 , 12:46 PM

NedSchneebly

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pretty obvious b/b/b line

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05-25-2015 , 01:45 PM

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machi5

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I would bet/fold turn. If called, I'd bet/fold a high card on the river, or check/call a low card.

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05-25-2015 , 04:34 PM

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steveistheman84

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bet 3 times. as played c/r river. i'd also consider c/r'ing flop if the table is playing aggressive.

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05-26-2015 , 03:28 AM

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i would bet the river after the second 6 came. any trips is likely to call. and only a bigger full will raise.

also would have bet 4th. but i dont like being oop in these spots where i can be nutted easily.

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05-26-2015 , 11:56 AM

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I'm betting every street. You need to bet a low turn to protect against you opponent checking a junky low draw. And when the board pair on the river, there are just very few combos that have you beat.

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05-26-2015 , 04:23 PM

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RolldUpTrips

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I bet the turn, but as played, you HAVE to c/r the river. It's the second-best card in the deck. You almost never lose.

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06-01-2015 , 07:54 PM

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Plsmrshenry

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Bet bet bet. As played raise river.

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06-02-2015 , 10:39 AM

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Are people playing AK55 in the sb?

Looks like hot garbage to me.

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06-02-2015 , 10:48 AM

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MaxValue1234

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Originally Posted by TheHip41

Are people playing AK55 in the sb?

Looks like hot garbage to me.

It's not great, that's for sure. Having it suited to the Ace and to the King helped a bit.

I don't think a fold is terrible, but I don't think a call is that bad either.

I'm probably leaning towards bet/fold line on the turn here being the optimal approach.

For those interested in the results (and trying not to let them cloud my approach) my opponent did hold J6xx in this spot, but that doesn't change what the correct play was in that spot.

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06-02-2015 , 11:25 AM

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c/r river is a terrible play if you think about it. sure there are only a few combos that beat you but if you get action they are there.

too often just trips wont bet but would call. that is a disaster for you.
some of the trips wont call a c/r if they do bet.
and all jack fulls or better may reraise you. and are you going to fold it then. i know i would. if you cant then you go for three bets being dead.

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06-02-2015 , 12:15 PM

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Rush17

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Originally Posted by TheHip41

Are people playing AK55 in the sb?

Looks like hot garbage to me.

A suited Ace has plenty of value to complete your small blind with. Having a draw to the wheel makes it even stronger. And, having a shot at the Broadway makes it more playable, as well.

It becomes hot garbage(unless you like to gamble) when it's three bets to you, or, when you're utg in a very aggressive game. All hands(most hands) have their place, and this hand from this spot for a small bet, is totally standard.

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06-02-2015 , 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TheHip41

Are people playing AK55 in the sb?

Looks like hot garbage to me.

What??? This is a limped pot. Folding this in the SB is possibly the worst play I've ever seen suggested here.

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06-02-2015 , 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rush17

It becomes hot garbage(unless you like to gamble) when it's three bets to you, or, when you're utg in a very aggressive game. All hands(most hands) have their place, and this hand from this spot for a small bet, is totally standard.

Are people playing this in a raised pot for 1.5 bets? It's situation dependent depending on raisers' ranges, but I'm generally figuring that one person representing a good low and the much worse pot odds is enough to make it a fold.

Standard completion for 0.5 bet though.

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06-02-2015 , 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AKQJ10

It all depends.

I'm completing and perhaps even calling a single raise from the sb, and I'm def. calling one raise from the bb multiway. I'm aware that if there is an initial raise in front of me, that someone probably has a better low draw, but having the suited Ace+Broadway draw makes it appealing to me. I'm willing to splash around a little bit but draw the line at the complete cannonball. But I am a firm believer that, when you give a little bit of action, that you get action. And I want action.

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06-04-2015 , 12:19 AM

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machi5

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Originally Posted by TheHip41

Are people playing AK55 in the sb?

Looks like hot garbage to me.

I'm pretty selective about the hands I enter pots with. And I have no problem folding crappy hands from the SB in limped pots. And I don't think this is the sexiest hand I've ever seen. But all that being said, if I start folding AK55 double-suited in this spot, it's time to quit poker.

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06-04-2015 , 01:59 AM

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steveistheman84

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Originally Posted by Ray Zee

yeah, i agree it's a bit spewy. can still do it against some players, but your gonna be in a pretty big rio spot the majority of the time. this is why it's so important to not let off.

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06-04-2015 , 02:00 AM

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Plsmrshenry

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Originally Posted by Ray Zee

I agree with you that just betting twice is better. I'm just saying after chking twice the opponent would have no reason not to be betting trips. Which he will def pay off since our line is so strange. 3 bets is bad news obv

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