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Old 07-17-2012, 04:33 PM   #16
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Re: 10/20 LO8- Barreling turn

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I see what you are saying now. I think its a big bet idea that you want to preserve your outs and bluff with hands that have no outs. Like you don't bet a turned nut flush draw if you can get blown off it. In limit, because you never really make a bet that is large in comparison to the pot, the best bluffing candidate is always the hand with the least showdown value and most outs.

I'm not sure if you can still construct a decent range taking out your best semi-bluffs, but a better question is why would you want to when those bets are so profitable.
The hand with the least showdown value is not always the one with the most outs. I absolutely don't agree with you, but this is not a holdem forum and its way off topic! There are different ways to balance of course and its difficult to be definitive about what is exactly the GTO strategy on a particular board with a particular hand. I'm sorry, I'm not discussing this any further here.
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Old 07-18-2012, 05:11 PM   #17
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Re: 10/20 LO8- Barreling turn

A question not being asked here is you consider the turn a bluff. Ok, lets assume that's true for now. Lets now ask what you have fold equity against. Most of the hands he calls the flop with are weak draws,( 85, 89, 23, 24+ a pair) any 7, any big pair, maybe KK, possibly in this specific case could have even been TT. Because of this, I don't think there is much merit in betting. The hands you do get them off like 23, or other weak lo draws, don't hurt ya terribly to keep in anyway since your range is very effective for value in position on most rivers. Becuase of this, i think the proper question is bet for value and risk a check raise, or just check behind and risk missing a turn bet. What do you think?
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Old 07-19-2012, 05:46 PM   #18
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Re: 10/20 LO8- Barreling turn

I don't know how I missed this thread earlier, but just wanted to say this is an awesome thread. Gives me a whole 'nother appreciation for several of the posters in this forum.
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Old 07-19-2012, 06:05 PM   #19
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I don't know how I missed this thread earlier, but just wanted to say this is an awesome thread. Gives me a whole 'nother appreciation for several of the posters in this forum.
I hope you're not talking about me. my last post was written by the old, nasty, str8 or worse...
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Old 07-19-2012, 06:23 PM   #20
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I hope you're not talking about me. my last post was written by the old, nasty, str8 or worse...
All your posts (ITT) are belong to gold.

I can appreciate yours, AKQJT, and RedHot's view on LO8 a lot more now, because I basically agree with the things (ranges, GTO, barrelling frequencies, etc.) you guys are thinking about.
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Old 07-19-2012, 06:30 PM   #21
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don't confuse solid urine with gold...
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Old 07-19-2012, 10:28 PM   #22
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Re: 10/20 LO8- Barreling turn

your line is fine, i would call the river against some opponents on the chance i can beat their a2x or a54 type hands
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Old 07-19-2012, 11:21 PM   #23
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All your posts (ITT) are belong to gold.

I can appreciate yours, AKQJT, and RedHot's view on LO8 a lot more now, because I basically agree with the things (ranges, GTO, barrelling frequencies, etc.) you guys are thinking about.
Could be dangerous I have only just started learning L08......
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