that's actually as dry as it gets. only paired boards (and AK9r) may be more dry...

rainbow, only one low card, no overcards can come to change the lead, so a set of aces (and usually also AQ) should be miles ahead equity-wise.

also, I agree with BBB.
I don't know what good limp/3-betting does to you, i'd just be consistent and open-raise, like I always would with this hand first in from the CO.

OP, don't think in terms of pot equity. it doesn't matter which side of a coin-flip you take HU. position matters, betability matters...

as played, postflop I like your hand enough to simply bet and go from there...

Ace queen nine Not drawing towards broadway? Lets see, any ten, any jack, any king. Gee only 12 outs with 2 to come. Maybe 20 outs after the flop is wet then.

You pull one semantic shred out of my posting, trash it, then agree with betting.

I only mentioned it leaning towards broadway because those are the cards MOST PEOPLE PLAY. Must be a million ways to describe the flop. Dry to me is deuce six ten.

Its dry-heavy in omaha hi, and just dry in hi/lo. You do realize it's hi/lo, right?

XC or XR? Let's assume the intervening player folds.

Sigh... it's the age old discussion. (I do greatly appreciate everyone's feedback, but there's still something i feel is lacking from discussion of implied odds in general. But to reiterate, i do appreciate the input and don't necessarily disagree with it.)

Yes, both those factors are part of IO and IO matters. IO matters a lot less than big-bet, but it still matters.

It can't be the only thing that matters. For example, if we somehow go 4 bets preflop and get HU, and then i resolve to XC every street no matter what, i'm putting in 44% of the eventual nine small bets preflop. That's a little contrived but my point is, preflop equity does still matter.

I've asked in vain many times for estimates of how to relate IO to preflop equity. RIO has to be worth less than five small bets, because even XC every round drawing dead would cost five small bets. Obviously i'm not always drawing dead. How much is playing a tricky hand OOP worth? Minus one small bet? Minus two? Enough to offset a 55% equity advantage but not a 60% advantage?

I know these don't have simple answers, but that doesn't mean it's wrong-headed to want to discuss them in quantitative terms. There must be some quantitative value, even if it's very very hard to measure.

IO matters, but hot-and-cold equity matters too, and there needs to be a way to relate the two.
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Anyway, that aside, AKJ7ds probably shouldn't be that hard to play OOP against an aggressive opponent after a lot of bets have gone in. I butchered this hand, as we'll see, so i did put in lots of bets bad -- but even so, they didn't go in THAT bad, and i would surely have been correct to at least call down.

I just need to learn not to butcher hands against aggressive opponents.

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Flop: (12.5 SB) Q A 9 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BTN raises, BB folds, Hero ???



Call and then check 100% of our range on the turn? XR a ten? Anything else?

I'll bite. What does "IO" mean to you?

Buzz

implied odds

Thanks. I see the reference now (quoted below)but somehow missed it last night. I have to think about that some more but don't have time now.

Buzz

It IS heavy stuff. maybe for the 14K post...?

Yeah, and to reiterate, i'm not saying str8's point about my poor IO is invalid -- just trying to get my brain around how to quantify it.

So here's the rest of this train wreck of a hand:

Flop: (12.5 SB) Q A 9 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BTN raises, BB folds, Hero 3-bets, BTN caps!, Hero calls

Turn: (10.25 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets, Hero calls

River: (12.25 BB) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets, Hero calls



We can all agree that B/3B on the flop is hugely spewy -- my thinking at the time was, "He's an aggressive player and probably raising a lot of weaker aces," but this really isn't great to bloat the pot with no clue where i am in the hand. But is there a consensus flop line: X/C, X/R, or B/C?