Originally Posted by BigBadBabar
as played, check, since he likely cbets his whole range
XC or XR? Let's assume the intervening player folds.
Originally Posted by str8 or better
OP, don't think in terms of pot equity. it doesn't matter which side of a coin-flip you take HU. position matters, betability matters...
Sigh... it's the age old discussion. (I do greatly appreciate everyone's feedback, but there's still something i feel is lacking from discussion of implied odds in general. But to reiterate, i do appreciate the input and don't necessarily disagree with it.)
Yes, both those factors are part of IO and IO matters. IO matters a lot less than big-bet, but it still matters.
It can't be the only thing that matters. For example, if we somehow go 4 bets preflop and get HU, and then i resolve to XC every street no matter what, i'm putting in 44% of the eventual nine small bets preflop. That's a little contrived but my point is, preflop equity does still matter.
I've asked in vain many times for estimates of how to relate IO to preflop equity. RIO has to be worth less than five small bets, because even XC every round drawing dead would cost five small bets. Obviously i'm not always drawing dead. How much is playing a tricky hand OOP worth? Minus one small bet? Minus two? Enough to offset a 55% equity advantage but not a 60% advantage?
I know these don't have simple answers, but that doesn't mean it's wrong-headed to want to discuss them in quantitative terms. There must be some
quantitative value, even if it's very very hard to measure.
IO matters, but hot-and-cold equity matters too, and there needs to be a way to relate the two.
Anyway, that aside, AKJ7ds probably shouldn't be that
hard to play OOP against an aggressive opponent after a lot of bets have gone in. I butchered this hand, as we'll see, so i did put in lots of bets bad -- but even so, they didn't go in THAT bad, and i would surely have been correct to at least call down.
I just need to learn not to butcher hands against aggressive opponents.
(12.5 SB) Q
9 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets
, BTN raises
, BB folds, Hero ???
Call and then check 100% of our range on the turn? XR a ten? Anything else?