Played this badly, but I was honestly surprised the flop was capped (flatted flop raises twice, ugh)

So how badly did I spew EV this hand?

Thanks....

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $1/$2 Hi/Lo (6 max) - Omaha Hi/Lo - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 110.59 BB (VPIP: 37.21, PFR: 23.59, 3Bet Preflop: 11.21, Hands: 313)
SB: 7.42 BB (VPIP: 20.83, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
Hero (BB): 23.44 BB
UTG: 10.89 BB (VPIP: 28.49, PFR: 19.55, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 182)
MP: 12.37 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 10)
CO: 49.18 BB (VPIP: 47.17, PFR: 39.62, 3Bet Preflop: 26.67, Hands: 57)

SB posts SB 0.25 BB, Hero posts BB 0.5 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 0.75 BB) Hero has Q K T T

UTG raises to 1 BB, fold, CO raises to 1.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 1 BB, UTG raises to 2 BB, CO calls 0.5 BB, Hero calls 0.5 BB

Flop: (6.25 BB, 3 players) 8 3 5
Hero checks, UTG bets 0.5 BB, CO raises to 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB, UTG raises to 1.5 BB, CO raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 1 BB, UTG calls 0.5 BB

Turn: (12.25 BB, 3 players) 9
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB, UTG calls 1 BB

River: (15.25 BB, 3 players) K
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB, UTG calls 1 BB

Against two players, I can fold that flop for 2 bets cold. Probably getting freerolled hard, and quite possibly drawing to a flush that's 2nd best at showdown.

As played, calling the turn and river for a single bet.

Just fold pre, our hand looks stronger than it is, with qq or kk instead of the tt our high equity and playability both improve

Also fold flop, we aren't even in the middle so folding this for 2 should be much easier

As played river call is really dubious, how likely is it that both villains have only a low and no par stronger than kq, its pretty easy for villains to have better highs and we don't even beat ak

Even double suited? I kinda thought I should have raised pre. Is this a spot where preflop equity is an illusion? Is it likely I am up against AA?

Yeah, the rest is a fiasco.

Yeah, this was out of character for me, even among the hands right before and after this. Regardless of the action pre, I gotta let it go for a raised flop.

Thanks!

In terms of equity your call is fine, its more that the playability and bad position set you up for some very tough decisions/costly mistakes so tossing it is a reasonable option

I see. Given the pros and cons, I will keep this hand as playable pre, and be more disciplined on the flop. As I climb and face more competent players (the LAG in this session was very competent btw) I may muck this hand pre in the future.

Thanks!


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try n get this capped up pre. you will scoop enough of the time so reraise pre and dont stop raising til they tell you you cant anymore

fold flop, non nut draw playing for half

Very valid. My only concern is that capping pre gives us thin value to flat the 2b on the flop. If I were to cap pre, I should see a turn on this flop. For me, I will just call pre and fold flop, against the player-base I am facing currently.


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I would definitely call this preflop.
But you need to fold the flop. You are on the edge of getting the right immediate price to see the next card drawing at half the pot. But there's a good chance you will get whipsawed on this or a later street (as you did).

I can't understand the argument for capping preflop. This hand is going to run pretty close in equity to your opponent's ranges, so capping for value has little immediate cost or benefit. But the more money you put in preflop, the more certain you need to be that you will actually realize your equity in the hand. Playing a multiway pot out of position make this less likely, as this hand shows. You clearly flop some equity, but the subsequent action may force you to either fold it away or make a thin call that will lead to more difficult spots later in the hand.

call pre, fold flop, if I find myself on the turn I prob call for a bet, as played I'd always call the river getting 16:1

If it's roughly neutral EV then I don't mind capping to make our later hands harder to read.

Pre is borderline. However it's a clear fold if you don't know to fold this flop. Getting jammed here is awful as half the pot is gone and we could be drawing near dead.