Event #51 PLO8 got around 1000 runners. Much more than other events besides NL holdem. I can only assume a NLO8 event would do just as well if not better (assuming the No limit aspect can attract NL holdem players).

So my question is why hasnt the wsop started offering it yet? It would actually be easier to run than PLO8. Is there any way to start a petition to get it in next years wsop?

Thoughts? Would a NLO8 event get more runners than a PLO8 event? Would an added NLO8 eliminate one of the PLO8 events?

Why isnt there a PLO8 Championship?

I think the answer to both is the games themselves havent mature yet, the volume of players doesnt matter when the majority of them are gambletards.

That being said, I would love to see NLO8 at the WSOP also a Mixed Fixed/Pot/No limit O8 event.

What does this even mean? The only thing that matters to the casinos is the volume of players. And if the majority of the players are "gambletards" then thats better for you and me ?? Why would you rather have any other type of player?

Im saying, there isnt big enough demand and most of the players playing PLO8 arent playing it seriously. Either gambletards or players that normally play NLHE or PLO, otherwise wouldnt play FLO8, there are of course sharks and people that play it seriously. As far as popularity goes, PLO8 is close second and NLO8 is a very distant 3rd.

Do you think there would have been 1k people in the event if there were 2 or more PLO8 events? I dont think it would have. unfortunately I think there will be a 5 card PLO8 or FLO8 event before a straight up NLO8 based purely off its popularity.

The events vary from year to year imo

There was a PLO8 10k championship event last year which Fahra won.

No, that event was the exact same 10k Limit O8 as this year.

Oh wow you're right sorry .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_World_Series_of_Poker

Look at the numbers for every $1500 event that's not no limit Holdem.
Plo8 had more runners than stud, razz, limit o8, limit Holdem, nl 2 to 8. There definitely is room for nlo8 like you said I wouldn't even mind a BIG O event. I just think it's time for another Omaha pl nl or big o event.

I think the main reason is the roots of Omaha games being PL. If you petitioned to have a NL Omaha Hi only event going, you wouldn't get many support because of the high variance/"gamble" element to this game. This isn't the case in NLO8, I would argue that NLO8 has LESS variance than PLO8.

However, NL Omaha8 actually has a case for being a feasible event with the popularity that it draws online across all game types (cash games, MTTs, SNGs). In my opinion, the reason NLO8 isn't getting as much love as PLO8 is because its Omaha Hi counterpart (NLO) doesn't have the amount of popularity PLO.

Also, some dealers + players have trouble with determining how much they can bet in PL games, where being straight up NL will remove this aspect as well.

Hope this thread reaches those with a say in the event planning process. Make it happen!

This is a baseless statement.

I don't think this statement is very accurate. Stars should be adding some more NLO8 MTTs shortly, so maybe that will change your opinion once you see the kinda #s it draws.

I wouldn't even consider Limit O8 as the most popular game either. Just because the "highest" games on each site is Limit O8 doesn't mean that its the most popular. The best PLO8 and NLO8 players play as high as 5/10 because the biggest games spread on Stars is 10/20 (and you will see an occasion 10/20 game, as frequently as you will see a 1000/2000 Limit O8 game). The fact is, PLO8 pros playing 3/6 stakes make just as much as a Limit O8 pro playing 30/60. Limit O8 is still popular today due to its rich history from the past. Despite being popular, I'm not so sure it as popular as you think, especially given the lack of online demand it has.

I think people are taking this Big O too far. It's a game that's offered live, but without it being offered online, it stands no chance to being an actual event. For instance, Badugi is on the cusp of having its own event (or two) mainly because of the online exposure on Stars and FTP (part of the 10 game mix). NLO8 has an edge over Big O in that it's been offered on online sites for years and has a well-established base of players who has some sort of exposure to the game. The Big O does not, it's been a live game that's been popularized in the past year (or two).

EDIT: Correct me if I'm wrong, but Limit Triple Draw was also introduced this way, with it being offered online at Pokerstars and then receiving the support of pros of it being added. There was a $2500 event this year, and it's also part of the 10 game and 8 game events as well.

Did I miss something?

Actually the roots of Omaha are Limit versions particularly on the O8 side.

I think the bigger issue is that NLO8 is really an internet game at this point. You may get some interest in it but the WSOP is quite slow to add new games, etc.

I would likely play but I just don't think WSOP would risk offering it without any clue what the turn out would look like.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough, but that post was referring to PLO's roots in Europe. The euros were the ones that forced PLO as a staple into the wsop series and it has been moved into o8 to get plo8.

Also, does anyone know if badugi and 2-7 triple draw was offered live before they were placed into the WSOP?

When the WSOP started offering PLO8 4 yrs ago PLO8 was non existent live and also had a smaller following online than NLO8 does now.

Hehe yes new version, must be why no one showed up

Relative, idk about you but at all the casinos I play at (in the midwest lol) no one plays PLO8 live, noone has even heard of NLO8. So the people you find willing to play in the one game every 6 months are either people that play online or the PLO game broke up early or they couldnt get enough people to play FLO8.

NLO8 has been forever the least popular form of hi/lo 8b, it got popular online for a couple months, then everyone went back to plo8 or flo8 or went broke.

Limit O8 is easily the most popular form, you can find it played in almost every actual card room and semi-regularly in B&Ms, more tables of FLO8 online then the other two, always.



Im not super stoked about Big O either, playing mostly PLO8/FLO8 in the home games in my area, we inevitably started playing Big O and the swings are unmanageable. But it bridges the gap for the people that are naturally attracted to the gamble.

I doubt it with the limit draw games, I believe they started doing them in 2000. They had NL27 since the 70s or 80s, then in 2000 they had a A5 and 27.

I think our opinions differ greatly due to the fact that I am predominately an online player where you seem to be aware of the live environment so no use in trying to change your mind about NLO8's popularity.

One thing though, please have a look at the the Omaha 8 section on Stars when you get a chance. You will notice that there bigger FLO8 at the top (cause its limit and would not be worthwhile to play lower stakes), but as you move down to $1/$2 and lower, its essentially ALL PLO8 and NLO8. If you want a better indication of the true traffic, come back in 8 hours when Stars is at their peak hours.

One more thing, you can't say everyone goes broke in NLO8 is popular for a few months when the SNGs continue to attract high #s (see the 18 man SNGs). I'm not sure which months you're referring to specifically, the games on Stars has been around for at least 3 years, as thats when I first joined Stars.

I played primarily the 10 handed NLO8 SNGs along side the 6.25 turbo PLO8.

nl more popular online than fl ainec

Before stars left the US you could easily find a lot more players playing 1-2 limit08 than 1-2 plo8. I understand what a player can make at the levels and that is never going to be a weight bearing argument. When you walk into most casinos, in the US, the form of omaha being played, most frequently, is limit 08. In European countries I imagine it would be pot limit omaha hi or hi/lo. The one game you will almost never find is NL08. Until it spreads, with some regularity, for the general public, it won't have a chance to be an event at the series.

Badugi has been played live for years, although mostly by the traveling circuit players. Lowball draw games are what legal California poker was founded on while hold em was still illegal, so their live presence is the most cemented. It appears that Big O will be the next in line for an event. I'm not championing the cause or anything and as you can see from Badugi, it will take a number of years before the WSOP will consider it for a stand alone event. I'm just looking at the fact of the exposure gained by the presence of the game and how many people are taking it home with them from the series. This will facilitate its ability to grow and become popular. If you want NL08 to have a chance then your best bet is to get some people together and start spreading it live, bring it to the series and get it spread there, and hope it catches on.

One other issue that i saw when I could see the NL08 games was that it didn't play with the finesse of a deepstacked NLHE game. It generally amounted to the decent players, sitting with shorter than full stacks, waiting for a donk to get out of line and shoving AAxx on them. There are a lot of threads in the 08 forum complaining about how even the good players were just ship-bots. The pot limit and limit structures allow players to know what to do with their hand after the flop or to have to make a decision where NL turns the game more towards late stage, preflop war NLHE which isn't as prevalent as it once was.

The more Omaha Hi-Lo WSOP events the better: they should have PL08/NL08/Big 'O' events at $1k-$10k level and introduce a six max event like the $10k PLO six max. There is just so much demand at the WSOP and with the increased popularity of Omaha and increase in player pool in these events at the Series, I think it would definitely be viable.

IMO we are a long way off from Big O being played in any way in a bracelet event

But PLO8 >>>>> NLO8. The reason must be that organisers get a lot more tournament fees when they're offering PLO8/PLO/NLHE tourneys than some marginal stuff. And I think O8 is much popular live than NLO8.. Thou I think all limit games should be illegalized.

There is One major flaw in your theory as to why there is no nlo8. Prior to the wsop in 2006 plo8 wasn't played live anywhere. You would be hard pressed to name 5 casinos in the whole country that ever dealt a hand of plo8. It was solely an online game and it made it's way to the wsop.

I sincerely hope they never replace PLO8 wsop event with a NL08 or even add a new NL08 in for that matter at the risk of this ghastly form overtake the proper game in popularity