ok the bet is on! whoever plays the most 30$ 6 max hypers next week wins. if you win you get a pretzel from me, if i win i get one of those steamed buns they sell in thailand!

my fingers wanna say deal..but wtf..u would destroy me anyway and pretxels suk...gimm a doner kebak and i.m tempted...ahh fk anyhtin that aint sticky rice

just some1 admit i bets player on the forum,,,,,by far

Ok billy you are the bets player on the forum

I have no idea what that means, but you're it

ok back to the topic...
in my experience macr0s has been nothing else than a fun guy to talk to and giving me more information about tournaments than i could chew. that is the reason the accusations from buzz made me pretty angry.

how to do ICM math can be found all over the internet. i´m sure macr0s would have helped if someone would come up with some calculations and asked for help. but almost nobody does. people are lazy, post a hand and just ask sth like "is that call right?". macr0s delivers the answer to that question (+this vs this range and +that vs that range) and you guys are unsatisfied? how about you go and do the math yourself and if you get other results or struggle with the calculations then post in here and it will be possible to sort out where the mistake is.


btw i did the calculations for the 3c9c8s6h hand and got to the conclusion that vs. a 10% pushing range calling gives +1,39% ICM compared to folding. i ignored 1/4 and 3/4 situations and rounded here and there and i guess thats where the difference between macr0s results and mine comes from.
anyone else had a go at it?

guess you haven´t found the right pretzel seller then! they are rare i can tell you that. i only got 2 locations to get AAA+ pretzels and i live in pretzel land.
but if you prefer döner i can get you one of those if you´r fine with turkey meat on it. plus side for the döner here where i live is that no ground meat is used!
guess we have to figure out how to transport warm fast food around the globe :/

First of thanks for the support and thanks for the unban. This is the last time I'm going to
comment on the matter. I never intended to "solicited" anyone and I just answered a
question from a fellow 2+2ers truce-fully. Regarding the scamming topic, it would have been
a lot easier for me to just sell the simulator, instead of coning someone into a relationship with
me like Buzz insinuated.

@streity obviously I never posted the whole because it's a ton of writing down just for one
hand and actually like booink said, nobody EVER asked me to. The only one ever interested
in any ICM topic was ngFTW and he contacted me via PM and we exchanged our solutions for
3handed ICM.

ICM Hero loses * probability of Hero losing
+ICM Hero gets 1/4 * probability of Hero getting 1/4
+ICM Hero splits * probability of Hero getting 1/2
+ICM Hero gets 3/4 * probability of Hero getting 3/4
+ICM Hero wins * probability of Hero winning
-ICM Hero folds

ICM numbers for the previous posted hand 3c9c8s6h against a 99% range.
0*0.361530
+8.78852585231*0.014892
+14.100443176*0.301737
+17.9233020656*0.014637
+20.9400621222*0.307205
-8.5189401795
= 2.56179912667%
Used rounded numbers last time that's why the numbers are slightly different.
Obviously didn't go trough the whole math to get to the normal ICM number just
google it or use a freely available ICM Calc.

wish i had an iq of 180

fyp

oh u break my heart

but admire the special troll

ffs that means a lot niss...ttvm

when's buzz bak?

Dude. Chillz. I know how to do the calc. Not everyone does, or would even know where to start.

I was really just questioning the argument that Macr0s was sharing knowledge. For example, when I did some elementary quadratic equations at University and my lecturer showed me the equation and then said the answer is 3 without anything in between I would have been like wtf, how the feck did you get there!!! Do you see what I am saying?

Welcome back.

Glad we agree!!

hmhm. i guess b²-4ac=0 so there is only one solution ;P. but i understand what you mean.
the problem with icm math done with pen, paper, a normal calculator and a basic icm calculator is not the depth of the math used. its the sheer amount of numbers you have to type into the icm calculator. 5 handed you have to type in 5 values for the 6 scenarios. it quickly gets a cluster**** if done that way.throw in ante and it gets even worse. i forgot that you also need a tool for calculating the possibility of each scenario. the math that has to be done should be possible for everyone in here.


move on? i got some steamed buns coming my way and i want to prepare for that

I did do it for only 1 term about 5 years ago so that may have been a terrible example. I have no idea whether 3 could ever be the answer!!

I would prefer a massive **** off Stein and a foot long sausage to be honest, so I am hoping Billy wins

On a side note: Think I am getting the hang of these hypers now all you sharks have moved up!! It's taken me almost 3k to realise how **** I had been playing,

Noticed you were registering pretty bloody high. Are you taking shots??

i´m doing super aggressive shots at the higher limits considering my online roll. i put up rules for myself when to completely fall back to 30s max and 15s max but anything above goes to higher buyins. hope i will bink one of the 200s someday ;P

There are free ICM calculators available. If one doesn't have the requisite mathematical knowledge or analytical ability to calculate ICM for a split-pot game like O8, then I don't see why anyone (including Macros) should supply it to them for free.

Macros is a good player, I doubt he needs to slyly advertise on 2P2 or w/e. I can see how it could be interpreted that way, but it's not the only way, it wasn't how I initially interpreted it, nor how I believe it was intended (maybe I'm wrong). I just figured it was a standard thinly veiled brag... a good player getting a bit full of himself... i.e., par for the course.

Buzz- It seems like a mod's job is to enforce the rules in a proper manner and possibly promote a friendly atmosphere where posters are welcome and respected (and respectful). I understand giving a warning, even an infraction to in part make a point, but banning someone for mentioning that they have students? If you decide you don't want to be a mod, then thanks for your service and I hope you continue to post when you want. It's a thankless job, and if you no longer have the time or interest, then that seems reason enough to stop doing it.

He did resign and is no longer listed at the bottom of the forum's main page as a moderator.

there are 200$ 18 man s&gs now.
it will probably take me 2-3 years to have that BR but then im coming for u booink

No he is talking about hyper 6max Booink switched to hypers only,
like some other regs.

Over the years as moderator of this forum, I’ve suffered many condescending slights like the one in the post streityboy linked.

That one came at a time when I was simply tired of it.

So the next time MacrOs_ got out of line, I banned him.

Looking at that decision from a different perspective, I can see how it might look to someone like I didn’t use good judgment. But from my own perspective, I feel fine about my decision.

Would I have banned someone else (who hadn’t slighted me) for the same offense?

Probably not.

That wasn't quite it. He implied that if one would become his student, then as his student, one would have access to his ICM calculator.

Usually being slighted as I was (in the post linked by streityboy) would not bother me. This time it did. The slight came at a time when it was "the straw that broke the camel's back." And then the next time MacrO_ got out of line, I banned him.

Banning him was probably not the best way for me to handle the situation... but, gee, I'm human and the post hinting (but not promising) access to his ICM calculator after the one where I felt he slighted me just rubbed me the wrong way.

Not exactly. I don't want to do anything where I'm going to get crapped on by somebody for my efforts and be expected to not retaliate.

Buzz

You mean self-proclaimed expert. None of the rest of us has any reason to believe the numbers he quotes are accurate or useful, or that the software even exists.

Hay guys. I beat $5/$10 NLHE. Not telling you my screenname or showing you any database tho.

He didn't give any analysis, he pulled some numbers out of his ass. This doesn't help the OP in any way, shape or form, and yet it resulted in someone offering to pay Macros money. It might even have enhanced Macros's reputation amongst some readers. It contributed to Buzz quitting.

I have to agree with this really.

Take predator , for example. He doesn't post "You should fold, but if you pay me for lessons I'll explain why you should fold". Instead he explains why you should fold.

Assuming that Macros charges his students a fee, he is charging for access to the explanation of his posts.

Hi this is my first post here, after lurking for some time.

I have tried to figure out how the ICM calculation in Macros post from 19 March is done. I am almost through, but there are still some knots to fix.

I thought that I would post the procedure step by step in case others want to check the numbers in Macros post, or maybe give me a hint to get further.

First to find the ICM numbers you go to icmpoker.com and fill in the chips numbers for the 5 players on the left side of the calculator, and fill in the payout structure for the 18 man SNG on the top. You get the chips numbers from Epikur666’s post 15 march.

As an example, for the ICM Hero wins number, you have to use the chipcount after BB has won the pot. So BB’s new chipcount is 5331. For UTG, CO and BTN you subtract 75 chips for the antes in the pot, and for SB you subtract the lost 2553 chips, which is the amount BB had before the game, and which SB matched. So the new chipcount for SB is 8050.

Payoutstructure: 1. place $22.77; 2. place $17.06; 3. place $11.37; 4. place $5.68.

When I fill in the numbers and press the calculate button I get that BB is now worth $11.91 in the tournament. Total payout is $56.88. So 11.91/56.88=20.9388% which is close enough to Macros 20.940062 number from the post.

Similarly you find the rest of the left side numbers. Just change the chipcount for SB and BB to correspond to the situation after a ¾ win, ¼ etc.

For the right hand numbers, the probabilities of the various outcomes, you go to propokertools.com/simulations and enter game: omaha hi/lo, 3c9c8s6h in the first hand and 99% in the next hand. Press simulate. Then you get all the numbers for scooping etc.

For example for scooping I get 183.738 out of 600.000 trials which is 30.623% and is fairly close to
Macros 0.307205 number. Same procedure for getting scooped.

But I do not know how to produce the number for the probability of splitting. I have tried to add the probilities of win hi*lose low + lose hi *win lo +split*split + split*no low, but I only get up to around 27%, whereas Macros gets 30%. Probably I make a mistake in calculating the no lows, but I am not sure. The ¼ and ¾ are also a bit off, so it possibly comes from the same mistake.

Here are my numbers: Probability of no low I get as 100% minus the probabilities of ties lo, wins lo and loses lo. (gives 45.45%). Probability of Win hi* probability of lose low, I get 44.013%*21.972%=9.6705%. Lose hi*win lo=16.4076. Split*no low=0.75%. Split*split=0.04%.

Propokertools Odds Oracle is all I'm saying.