Unofficial Stars 18-man SNG turbo Thread - Page 29 - Omaha 8 Poker Forum

aye run good in these is kinda crucial..tough if ur not a donk..gl

for some reason i run way better in these than mtts...hard to compare though and i am on an sng heater. no doubt the tone of my posts will change soon

Especially when you play a semi-******ed style as I do. Im actually running hot in 3.50s but thats meh when you are getting murdered everywhere else. Im not a superstitious person but ever since I cashed out sunday (which was a Fn hassle having to send in loads of verification) I have barely cashed in anything above 3.5.

Stars why you no love me no more

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03-21-2012 , 12:26 PM

#702

billygstar

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a cpl of re tarded clowns....bogdaniel111 and arhpoker..pls keep playin clowns

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03-21-2012 , 12:47 PM

#703

UnnaturalDisaster

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Originally Posted by billygstar

a cpl of re tarded clowns....bogdaniel111 and arhpoker..pls keep playin clowns

arhpoker is a humongous fish but bogdaniel is actually really solid most of the time but does seem to have some tilt issues and I did notice he isnt in much of a folding mood today as well

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03-21-2012 , 03:34 PM

#704

UnnaturalDisaster

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running solid in 15s this month

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See Manndl I dont always run good

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03-21-2012 , 04:15 PM

#705

Angribob

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lol 45m@ns so soft:

Poker Stars, $3.16 Buy-in (800/1,600 blinds, 75 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12250022

SB: 4,742 (3 bb)
BB: 8,305 (5.2 bb)
Hero (UTG+1): 23,644 (14.8 bb)
UTG+2: 5,100 (3.2 bb)
MP1: 1,013 (0.6 bb)
MP2: 7,327 (4.6 bb)
MP3: 4,242 (2.7 bb)
CO: 1,835 (1.1 bb)
BTN: 11,292 (7.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 3

Hero raises to 23,569 and is all-in, 8 folds

Results: 4,675 pot
Hero mucked 3

and won 4,675 (3,000 net)

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03-23-2012 , 04:41 AM

#706

billygstar

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Originally Posted by UnnaturalDisaster

running solid in 15s this month

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See Manndl I dont always run good

pretty gross :/

got me wondering how far under actual ev a good player can run and still profit. I would guess that virtually no solid players would run above ev on pokerstars in these over the course of a year.

anyways run better mate!

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03-23-2012 , 12:29 PM

#707

Sleepy_Howie

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Originally Posted by UnnaturalDisaster

running solid in 15s this month

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See Manndl I dont always run good

Just learning to use pokertracker. How do you add the net expected win line?

Thank you

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03-23-2012 , 12:53 PM

#708

UnnaturalDisaster

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Originally Posted by Sleepy_Howie

Just learning to use pokertracker. How do you add the net expected win line?

Thank you

When under the graph tab on the left hand side there should be a group of check boxes that you can click on the second one down being Display All in EV which will give you the net expected line. I like to play with the filters a bit and separate it between say 6-9 players, 3-5 players, and 2 players at the table to see how Im running as well as playing during the different stages of the sng. All in EV of course isnt everything when it comes to sngs but it is still a good determination of how you are playing.

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03-23-2012 , 01:04 PM

#709

UnnaturalDisaster

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Originally Posted by billygstar

I dont know how many 3.5s I played last year but it was a lot and I ran well under chip EV for the entire year and it mostly got worse instead of better. On the other hand I ran way above chip EV in 1.5s. Also when I first started playing 15s I ran well and did well despite not playing that great so I guess my current run is to make up for that although it does suck to start losing after working so hard to improve.

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03-23-2012 , 04:55 PM

#710

Prophili

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Does the pt show the cEv line correctly? I ask because hm 1 doesnt calculate it properly imo and some regs doesnt seem to realize that.

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03-23-2012 , 05:56 PM

#711

UnnaturalDisaster

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Originally Posted by Prophili

Does the pt show the cEv line correctly? I ask because hm 1 doesnt calculate it properly imo and some regs doesnt seem to realize that.

no it does not calculate multiway all ins correctly. ex: if you are all in pre with a 3k stack and get called by 2 players with larger stacks it will come up as -3k chip ev if they check it down and you lose the hand.

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03-23-2012 , 06:45 PM

#712

Angribob

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Originally Posted by Prophili

Does the pt show the cEv line correctly? I ask because hm 1 doesnt calculate it properly imo and some regs doesnt seem to realize that.

In what other ways does HM not calculate EV correctly?

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03-23-2012 , 07:39 PM

#713

Angribob

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Wow so I just started looking in HEM and I can see quite a few examples where it has taken Actual Winnings to be $ EV Adjusted

One hand from today I open shoved Aces and was called by junk for 64.8% equity yet $ EV adjusted shows -1470 which is ldo the amount I lost in the hand not the equity.

wtf is up with that? can anyone explain - is this i giant **** up or am I being a dunce?

Cheers,
Bob

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03-24-2012 , 11:16 AM

#714

Sleepy_Howie

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Originally Posted by UnnaturalDisaster

Thanks for your help.

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03-24-2012 , 12:09 PM

#715

Macr0s

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I don't see why you actually bother with cEV in SnG? You could be way up in
cEV, but way down in $EV if you would missplay the bubble/ITM spots.

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03-24-2012 , 11:38 PM

#716

bakyka

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Not much info on villains but none of them had crazy stats.

Omaha Hi/Lo NL Tournament
PokerStars
7 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$13.89+$1.11

Stacks:
UTG (1,160)
UTG+1 (1,507)
MP (3,025)
CO (2,160)
BTN (1,308)
Hero (SB) (3,000)
BB (1,340)

Blinds: 15/30

Pre-Flop: (45, 7 players) Hero is SB A

3 folds, CO raises to 60, 1 fold, Hero calls 45, BB calls 30

Flop: 5

(180, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets 90, CO calls 90, Hero raises to 450, BB goes all-in 1,280, CO goes all-in 2,100, Hero calls 1,650

Turn: A

(5,660, 3 players, 2 all-in)

River: 6

(5,660, 3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: 5,660
CO shows HI: a straight, Deuce to Six; LO: 5,4,3,2,A
A

Hero shows HI: two pair, Aces and Queens; LO: 6,5,3,2,A
A

BB shows HI: three of a kind, Queens
6

CO wins 5,660 (net +3,500)

Hero lost 2,160
BB lost 1,340

Thoughts?

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03-25-2012 , 12:36 AM

#717

broken_jia

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Originally Posted by bakyka

Thoughts?

Looks good. Only debate would be whether to 3-bet pre or not (I think either is fine since you are OOP).

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03-25-2012 , 02:08 PM

#718

Sharkzilla1

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I'd peel flop after checking. I guess I can't hate a C/R too much but you seem a bit too deep to really feel comfortable doing it. I can't see any merit in 3-betting pre as well.

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03-25-2012 , 02:12 PM

#719

manndl

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Originally Posted by Sharkzilla1

I can't see any merit in 3-betting pre as well.

+1

finally a day were i make $$ playing s&g.
been so long allready forgot how that feels like

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03-25-2012 , 11:12 PM

#720

jroc3fitty

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Originally Posted by Angribob

Pretty sure the EV stats for O8 tournaments have never worked properly in HEM or Pokertracker. They are so far off they are pointless to look at IMO.

I wrote HEM support about it last year with hand histories and examples and they admitted it wasn't implemented correctly and they hoped to fix it in a future release.

I'm using the latest version of HEM 2 now and it still aint working.

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03-27-2012 , 10:07 AM

#721

manndl

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was running good for 1 day and now the normal life is back.

Poker Stars, $3.16 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12349802

CO: 2,110 (105.5 bb)
BTN: 2,110 (105.5 bb)
SB: 1,480 (74 bb)
BB: 1,500 (75 bb)
Hero (UTG+1): 1,500 (75 bb)
UTG+2: 1,500 (75 bb)
MP1: 1,400 (70 bb)
MP2: 1,460 (73 bb)
MP3: 440 (22 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A

Hero raises to 1,500 and is all-in, 4 folds, CO calls 1,500, 3 folds

Flop: (3,030) 2

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (3,030) Q

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (3,030) T

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: 3,030 pot
Final Board: 2

CO showed 6

and won 3,030 (1,530 net)
Hero showed A

and lost (-1,500 net)

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03-28-2012 , 02:37 PM

#722

Aceuphisleev

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Haven't bothered to figure out how to post hands from Pokertracker (sorry), but I need to ask about this while it is still fresh in my mind:

18-man, 8 people left, blinds 150-300. I have about 5 bb left and a certain 2p2er has about 6.

Me: A

Him: J

I go all-in in early position, he calls in the big blind and scoops it.

I won't mention any names, but this guy is a solid reg. Anybody know why he would call here, aside from being somewhat shortstacked?

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03-28-2012 , 03:14 PM

#723

AllInNTheDark

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Originally Posted by Aceuphisleev

Him: J

If it was me, I was on tilt. Although even then I don't think I make that call with ~t1.8k

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03-28-2012 , 03:32 PM

#724

UnnaturalDisaster

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If I had been playing today I would say it was probably me lol Its hard to fold...hurts everytime.

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03-28-2012 , 08:33 PM

#725

Angribob

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Here's how you post the hand from your poker tracker:

Poker Stars, $6.45 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12366912

SB: 3,455 (11.5 bb)
Hero (BB): 2,748 (9.2 bb)
UTG+2: 5,158 (17.2 bb)
MP1: 5,312 (17.7 bb)
MP2: 1,925 (6.4 bb)
MP3: 1,545 (5.2 bb)
CO: 3,983 (13.3 bb)
BTN: 2,874 (9.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J

3 folds, MP3 raises to 1,520 and is all-in, 3 folds, Hero calls 1,220

Flop: (3,390) 9

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (3,390) T

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (3,390) 9

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: 3,390 pot
Final Board: 9

Hero showed J

and won 3,390 (1,845 net)
MP3 showed J

and lost (-1,545 net)

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Sorry about that one bro. I guess the tilt must have got me too