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01-15-2012 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Angribob
My 18 man lobbies dont seem to open anymore - i mean the lobby opens but it doesnt list the players - anyone else having this issue?
No.
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01-16-2012 , 06:26 AM
why do u raise so high (3BB)preflop angrybob?
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01-16-2012 , 07:05 AM
Cause 2.5 doesnt get any folds
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01-16-2012 , 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Angribob
Cause 2.5 doesnt get any folds
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01-16-2012 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Angribob
Cause 2.5 doesnt get any folds
Serial? Super serial?!

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01-17-2012 , 12:56 PM
It took 62 tourneys for Wadzon to piss me off.

PokerStars - $6.45+$0.55|200/400 NL Hi/Lo (9 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Jp_3391 (BTN): 1,840.00
wadzon (SB): 11,670.00
bene1512 (BB): 3,291.00
RomaSTK2 (UTG): 3,217.00
1MoreFish4U (CO): 6,982.00

Jp_3391 posts ante 25.00, wadzon posts ante 25.00, bene1512 posts ante 25.00, RomaSTK2 posts ante 25.00, 1MoreFish4U posts ante 25.00, wadzon posts SB 200.00, bene1512 posts BB 400.00

Pre Flop: (725.00) 1MoreFish4U has 7 7 A 3

fold, 1MoreFish4U raises to 3,200.00, fold, wadzon raises to 11,645.00 and is all-in, fold, 1MoreFish4U calls 3,757.00 and is all-in

Flop: (14439.00, 2 players) 3 5 Q

Turn: (14439.00, 2 players) A

River: (14439.00, 2 players) 6

Spoiler:
wadzon shows 2 K 4 J (Straight, Six High) (Pre 46%, Flop 54%, Turn 95%)
1MoreFish4U shows 7 7 A 3 (Two Pair, Aces and Threes) (Pre 54%, Flop 46%, Turn 5%)
wadzon wins 14,439.00
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01-17-2012 , 01:08 PM
It is my style. When I the chepleader.
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01-17-2012 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 1MoreFish4U
It took 62 tourneys for Wadzon to piss me off.
really how many s&gs did i need to accomplish that

as he said pretty much standart wadzon,if he has chips
and sorry to say;but poorly played against any chipleader with your hand.
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01-17-2012 , 01:33 PM
Too wanted to write that а773 certainly - horror.
ps By the way month goes well
Spoiler:

Last edited by wadzon; 01-17-2012 at 01:39 PM.
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01-17-2012 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by manndl
really how many s&gs did i need to accomplish that

as he said pretty much standart wadzon,if he has chips
and sorry to say;but poorly played against any chipleader with your hand.
I doubt you could accomplish it. You are too predictable, like a fly around a pile of steaming shat.

As for poorly played, there are different styles, but your choice to try to limp into the money as you seem to, is imho a weak strategy. Whe we have played together on this site, when you do get near the money you seldom have a big stack, and they you are playing to hold on.

I play to win, not for minor cashes.

I look at it this way in his spot. If everyone folds which is somewhat likely, he has 11,670 and I have 7,582. Calling with crap hand like his against my range - and losing, he has 4,700 ish and I have 14,500. To me, there are better spots than his.

To each their own.
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01-17-2012 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by wadzon
Too wanted to write that а773 certainly - horror.
ps By the way month goes well
Spoiler:
I don't know what tools you rank your hands with, but A3 - 77 certainly stronger than the random hand you risked over half your stack with.

BTW, nice graph. Good for you. Now if you had said you are just playing your month long rush, I could live with that lol.

Last edited by 1MoreFish4U; 01-17-2012 at 01:43 PM. Reason: You added graph whil I was typing.
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01-17-2012 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 1MoreFish4U
You are too predictable, like a fly around a pile of steaming shat.
never heard that about me before.
i dont like your wording,this is a nice forum u know
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01-17-2012 , 03:00 PM
Bakyka I don't completely disagree with you, but a point maybe I didn't make clear is that in 62 tourneys this is the 1st time I have seen this kind of thing from him - likely just circumstances.

Also, it was 60% of his stack, and he chose to risk it with nothing invested, with a hand that he has to know is worse than 50-50 against my entire range there.

Again, I emphasize that with those risks in mind, he ought to realize that the majority of the time he will make me a huge chip leader and the tournament is effectively over when I have that kind of chip lead.

The biggest error I made was not shoving. I let him think I was willing to fold if he shoved over top of me.

Wadzon certainly does not have the stats of a spew monkey, and I think he is a good, tough player overall.
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01-17-2012 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by manndl
never heard that about me before.
i dont like your wording,this is a nice forum u know
We haven't played a lot of sngs so far, so that's just what I have observed in a limited sample. In a large sample of cash game hands tho, it describes you to a tee ma'am.

As for the wording, don't be a little bitch and get your panties in a bunch. The worst 2 things about this forum are that :

a) Buzz mods it look a schoolmarm.

b) many of the best posters I have seen here over many years stopped bothering, often because Buzz mods like a schoolmarm.
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01-17-2012 , 03:18 PM
SNGs aren't really about style for the most part, they are far more about following a largely well known and prescribed formula for each blind level. That is why there aren't too many SNG grinders who can transition to cash that naturally. SNGs encourage you to think less about the game, from my personal experience, and transitioned to cash, often leads to predictable play.
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01-17-2012 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 1MoreFish4U
. In a large sample of cash game hands tho, it describes you to a tee ma'am.
i really don`t get that.
sadly my tracker only knows u from s&gs.
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01-17-2012 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 1MoreFish4U
Bakyka I don't completely disagree with you, but a point maybe I didn't make clear is that in 62 tourneys this is the 1st time I have seen this kind of thing from him - likely just circumstances.

Also, it was 60% of his stack, and he chose to risk it with nothing invested, with a hand that he has to know is worse than 50-50 against my entire range there.

Again, I emphasize that with those risks in mind, he ought to realize that the majority of the time he will make me a huge chip leader and the tournament is effectively over when I have that kind of chip lead.

The biggest error I made was not shoving. I let him think I was willing to fold if he shoved over top of me.

Wadzon certainly does not have the stats of a spew monkey, and I think he is a good, tough player overall.
I deleted my original post because I think the calculations I made there were some mistakes + I missed some other factors and didnt want to start a redundant debate.

Anyway I would have folded your hand (knowing wadzon can make moves like this) but I cant say if you shove (for the reasoning you wrote above) you make a huge mistake.

Last edited by bakyka; 01-17-2012 at 04:05 PM.
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01-17-2012 , 05:17 PM
1MoreFish4U, shove is far and away the best play in that spot. 3200 might seem like a shove to you, but from the chipleader's perspective, he sees it as an opportunity to exploit your ICM-suicide play (where you should be raise/folding 3200 with all your non-top 5% hands).

Are you raising 3200 so that a reshove by the 3217 or 3291 stacks will not price you out of the pot? Its really a weird and unnecessary sizing imo.
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01-17-2012 , 08:45 PM
Jia - you are right. I can't even answer why I didn't shove.
I shove every single time in that spot.

Must have been a brain fart.
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01-17-2012 , 10:58 PM
9:39 am in response to post by manndl.
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Originally Posted by 1MoreFish4U
I doubt you could accomplish it. You are too predictable, like a fly around a pile of steaming shat.
11:03 an in response to another post by manndl.
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Originally Posted by 1MoreFish4U
We haven't played a lot of sngs so far, so that's just what I have observed in a limited sample. In a large sample of cash game hands tho, it describes you to a tee ma'am.

As for the wording, don't be a little bitch and get your panties in a bunch. The worst 2 things about this forum are that :

a) Buzz mods it look a schoolmarm.

b) many of the best posters I have seen here over many years stopped bothering, often because Buzz mods like a schoolmarm.
I’m going to suspend you for three days and give you 20 non-expiring penalty points because of these two posts. And when you come back, if you ever do, you’ll owe manndl a public apology and you'll owe me a list of former best posters who stopped posting because of the way I mod.

Is that how a schoolmarm would mod?

Buzz
as co-moderator
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01-18-2012 , 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Buzz
...... you’ll owe manndl a public apology
thx BUZZ but i really don`t need a public apology,
its pretty clear that he was still steaming after the hand and just attacked me because i was stupid enough not to him.

but regarding the hand:
with wadzons stile as chipleader and his habit of defending his BB,7 7 A 3
doesn`t seem strong enough to risk elimination with your stack.
if u would be allready in the money(1more elimination)the move would make more sense but i`m still not sure if it would be my nr1 choice against this player.
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01-19-2012 , 07:52 AM
Hey,

why aren't there any more single-table-sit'n go's running?
At least more traffic within the 18s...

I started to play after a long time-out-period, so let's see whether I can be a little bit successfull.

See ya,
Cisolo
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01-19-2012 , 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Buzz
This thread is for discussion of "Stars 18-man SNG turbo." My apologies to all with an interest in "Stars 18-man SNG turbos" for this sidetrack into a review of my moderation methods.

Buzz
so what are your thoughts on that hand?
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Originally Posted by cisolo
Hey,

why aren't there any more single-table-sit'n go's running?
At least more traffic within the 18s...

I started to play after a long time-out-period, so let's see whether I can be a little bit successfull.

See ya,
Cisolo
welcome back.
even so i`m not so sure i really want a real though reg back at my tables
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01-19-2012 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by manndl
so what are your thoughts on that hand?
In my humble opinion, 7 7 A 3 is slightly worse than a coin flip hand when played against an opponent holding a hand with which he would engage you.

Hero, acting after SB, has a positional advantage but by forcing the action so as to get all-in, Hero gives away his positional advantage.

And, in general, when playing in a tournament, I prefer not to directly engage the chip leader.

I'd rather at least see the flop before making the decision to engage all my chips.

Although seriously flawed (the pair of sevens, the lack of high card strength to go with the ace, the lack of good low counterfeit protection), I consider
7 7 A 3 a playable hand.

Hero seems to think SB (the chip leader) should have shown Hero more respect and folded when Hero uses roughly half of his stack to raise a T725 pot to T3200. Perhaps that's true. (Then again, maybe not). Instead, SB re-raises all-in. And at that point Hero is more or less stuck, getting roughly three to one odds to call.

If Hero plans to call a shove by SB, then the original raise to T3200 doesn't make good sense to me. (Why not shove himself instead of the half stack raise?)

You asked. (Those are my thoughts about the hand).

Buzz
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01-19-2012 , 06:38 PM
It's not a great hand, although a good hand short handed.

Why shove that into CL (and if it takes 62 tourneys to effectively label wadzon a tad aggressive at times... idk what to say really... 62 hands at most seems sufficient)?

If you were shortstacked or were shoving into a SS, different story.
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