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Can any SNG regs say how possible/difficult those target scores are? Looks like you'd need to best last weeks to scores by like 20% which seems extremely hard.

tuff but possible at low stages.
i had the 650 in low at mars once,and twice over 2000 in the high.
never even close at venus in the low and once 2001 in the high.
earth not even close at both divisions.

its probably possible for marky but he is the best at the nlo8 knockouts,
normal people would need a real good run

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12-05-2011 , 03:17 PM

#352

ichbin

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I'll prob do 20 and see if its worth grinding for the full 100 if the first 20 don't suck.

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12-05-2011 , 06:43 PM

#353

zuri1886

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Originally Posted by ichbin

Can any SNG regs say how possible/difficult those target scores are? Looks like you'd need to best last weeks to scores by like 20% which seems extremely hard.

tough but been done before. i reached both in the past playing ko's.
problem: bad traffic and if there is traffic the games are likely filled with regs which makes it close to impossible imo. but let's try

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12-07-2011 , 05:17 PM

#354

manndl

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why cant i have a decent run over more than 1 session

my noon session was ok but after that i get 1 suckout after the other.

ps:have i mentioned yet,that i wanna run like zuri once

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12-07-2011 , 09:40 PM

#355

zuri1886

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Originally Posted by manndl

ps:have i mentioned yet,that i wanna run like zuri once

no roller coasters that way. i like.
they just wanted me to win the 10k next week so needed to make me run like this a year straight to make up for that

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12-10-2011 , 06:05 PM

#356

bakyka

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Omaha Hi/Lo NL Tournament
PokerStars
7 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$6.45+$0.55

Stacks:
UTG (1,460)
UTG+1 (4,540)
MP (1,500)
CO (1,540)
Hero (BTN) (1,480)
SB (1,500)
BB (1,480)

Blinds: 10/20

Pre-Flop: (30, 7 players) Hero is BTN 8

UTG calls 20, 1 fold, MP raises to 60, CO calls 60, Hero goes all-in 1,480, SB calls 1,470, 1 fold, UTG goes all-in 1,440, MP folds, CO folds

Flop: 9

(4,560, 3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: 6

(4,560, 3 players, 2 all-in)

River: 3

(4,560, 3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: 4,560
Hero shows HI: two pair, Aces and Nines
8

SB shows HI: two pair, Nines and Fours
4

UTG shows HI: two pair, Nines and Threes
5

Hero wins 4,560 (net +3,080)

CO lost 60
SB lost 1,480
UTG lost 1,460
MP lost 60

SB was instacalling...

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12-13-2011 , 10:07 AM

#357

Disorienter

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To experienced players or Sharkscopers: What's a good ROI in the 15's over a huge sample?

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12-13-2011 , 10:27 AM

#358

Angribob

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Anything over 10% is good imo

Anything around 15% is very good - very few players can get higher than that these days

only talking 9 mans here - of course in the 18 mans you can do much better

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12-13-2011 , 02:36 PM

#359

Disorienter

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Originally Posted by Angribob

Anything over 10% is good imo

Anything around 15% is very good - very few players can get higher than that these days

only talking 9 mans here - of course in the 18 mans you can do much better

Ok thanks but why answer for 9-man when the whole thread is for 18-man?

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12-13-2011 , 03:25 PM

#360

grey_abbey

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At the moment 20% is sustainable, was probably higher last year and will be less next year I'm guessing.

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12-13-2011 , 03:41 PM

#361

Disorienter

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Originally Posted by grey_abbey

At the moment 20% is sustainable, was probably higher last year and will be less next year I'm guessing.

Like all other forms of poker

I wish they fired more often, I have to mix in NLHE mtt's to make it worth it (imo). I never played hilo on FTP, was the action good?

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12-13-2011 , 04:03 PM

#362

PItom

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Originally Posted by Disorienter

To experienced players or Sharkscopers: What's a good ROI in the 15's over a huge sample?

Not worth it stick to holdem

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12-14-2011 , 10:05 AM

#363

Disorienter

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Originally Posted by PItom

Not worth it stick to holdem

Haha, nothing to see here move on? Everyone's solid?

Don't worry, I rarely play them anyway so I'm not taking a big chunk out of the hilo economy (except for the $5R $25a MTT).

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12-14-2011 , 11:06 AM

#364

bakyka

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Originally Posted by Disorienter

Haha, nothing to see here move on? Everyone's solid?

Don't worry, I rarely play them anyway so I'm not taking a big chunk out of the hilo economy (except for the $5R $25a MTT).

Omaha Hi/Lo NL Tournament
PokerStars
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$3.16+$0.34

Stacks:
UTG (3,919)
CO (9,060)
Hero (BTN) (8,962)
SB (1,274)
BB (3,785)

Blinds: 150/300 Ante 25

Pre-Flop: (575, 5 players) Hero is BTN A

1 fold, CO raises to 1,200, Hero goes all-in 8,937, 2 folds, CO calls 7,737

Flop: 10

(18,449, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: 3

(18,449, 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: K

(18,449, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: 18,449
CO shows HI: two pair, Kings and Tens
3

Hero shows HI: two pair, Fives and Deuces
A

CO wins 18,449 (net +9,487)

Hero lost 8,962

Yeah, everyone is solid and russian dudes still hate to fold

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12-14-2011 , 01:55 PM

#365

Disorienter

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Russians are born with more testosterone, they cant help it

By the way, how trustworthy is the EV adjusted graph in these?

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12-14-2011 , 03:50 PM

#366

UnnaturalDisaster

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Bad time to run like sht in sngs but at least I binked the turbo 2nd chance today so its not all bad

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12-14-2011 , 04:04 PM

#367

zuri1886

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Originally Posted by UnnaturalDisaster

Bad time to run like sht in sngs but at least I binked the turbo 2nd chance today so its not all bad

funny that everyone who seems to have a shot reaching the 10k is running horrible. i bet next week at least 5 of us will have enough points

grats to the 2nd chance.

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12-20-2011 , 09:58 AM

#368

Angribob

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I'm struggling with some 18 man bubble spots. In this example should I be shoving here due to very low M and praying that everyone folds (same as 9 man SNG) or should I be wimping it out hoping that others ger knocked out? Table was fairly tight

Seat 1: ondero3 (5271 in chips)
Seat 2: Angribob (4981 in chips)
Seat 5: looi04 (9323 in chips)
Seat 8: SuvorovA (3201 in chips)
Seat 9: Szabi12 (4224 in chips)
SuvorovA: posts small blind 600
Szabi12: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Angribob [Qh Ac 7h Kc]
ondero3: folds
Angribob: ?

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12-20-2011 , 10:04 AM

#369

Angribob

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Poker Stars, $13.89 Buy-in (300/600 blinds) Pot Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11395222

BB: 3,107 (5.2 bb)
MP1: 1,606 (2.7 bb)
Hero (MP2): 2,909 (4.8 bb)
MP3: 7,270 (12.1 bb)
CO: 2,747 (4.6 bb)
BTN: 6,304 (10.5 bb)
SB: 3,057 (5.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A

MP1 folds, Hero raises to 2,100, MP3 folds, CO raises to 2,747 and is all-in, 3 folds, Hero calls 647

Flop: (6,394) 9

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (6,394) 6

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (6,394) Q

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Spoiler:

Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.

Also standard right or too loose from upfront? Not sure why I am doubting these spots but have been running like crap on 18 mans recently

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12-20-2011 , 10:32 AM

#370

zuri1886

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i'd personally fold hand 1 and shove hand 2.
Simple reason: hand 2 has a lot of split pot potential if ur getting called.
hanging in there is the nr. 1 goal in these and since the blinds are usually high, a split pot will still increase ur stack quite a bit.

so A with two low cards > A with two high cards or surviving > do or die like in the 9man.

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12-20-2011 , 11:21 AM

#371

broken_jia

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I'm shoving hand #1 assuming BB is a decent player that is calling tight for ICM reasons. If SB (the shorty) had a tiny stack (less than 1500), I'd fold since he should be calling like 50% of hands due to all the extra dead money when BB folds.

Hand 2 is a really awkard spot in terms of stack sizes. With your stack, the smaller your raise, the stronger of a hand you represent. So really any raise between 1200-2100 looks stronger than a shove.

However, on the other side of the coin, BB has insane odds to peel with a marginal hand and can stop and go on many boards. I think shoving or raising are fine options and are the superior option VS limping or folding.

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12-20-2011 , 08:11 PM

#372

1MoreFish4U

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Of course I shove both of those hands in those situations, so that must be the wrong play.

TBH, I'd feel better with the 1st hand than the 2nd, expecting to be HU if called.

I have probably played 50k hands of O8 HU, and I'm more confident in getting at least half of the pot with the 1st hand HU, than the 2nd 1.

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12-20-2011 , 08:12 PM

#373

streityboy

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Technically, you can't shove in PL in hand 2 (or hand 1 for that matter). I am assuming hand 1 is also PL which makes it a marginally easier fold than if it was NLO8. Too much NL08 terminology applied to PL08 scenarios here.

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12-20-2011 , 08:46 PM

#374

1MoreFish4U

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Originally Posted by streityboy

I apologize. Been playing 95% NL the past few weeks and just assumed these were.

I take it all back

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12-21-2011 , 01:23 PM

#375

Angribob

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I'm shoving hand #1 assuming BB is a decent player that is calling tight for ICM reasons.

Yeah. This was my thinking at the time but in retrospect I feel its a pretty big mistake to assume any real FE. From what I've seen in my last thousand or so games is that people call and shove crazy light and folding never seems to cross their minds.

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A with two low cards > A with two high cards or surviving > do or die like in the 9man.

I've come to realise that ive been shoving waaay too light in a lot of situations where nitting it up is prob best.

I'm not saying that there aren't any spots where you can PWN its just that they are rarer than logic says they should be (mostly due to the high number of crazy gamblers in these as well as the high blinds / pot odds)

Anyway thanks for the tips

Cheers,
Bob

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