Very impressive, You have inspired me to start grinding more (although 500 games of BE can be annoying as well). See you at the tables!

btw, is anyone using the Hotkeys feature provided by Stars?

I have 2 buttons set up at the moment:
Up key = set bet to all in
Down key = fold (when I'm in the BB, I have set is so that fold = check)

Hey jia!

I am using it. It is a little buggy. They sometimes don't work and I have had other problems too. But I like that they are moving in this direction.

I would also advise not having the fold and all in buttons so close. Maybe it's just me, but when I do that I miss click a lot more.

Just finished one of the longest $15 NLO8 18 mans. The bubble went until the 800/1600 level. Here are some interesting hands:

I'm pretty sure he's supposed to fold 98% of his range here, but he didnt....

PokerStars Game #71019172029: Tournament #473436394, $13.89+$1.11 USD Omaha Hi/Lo No Limit - Level XII (600/1200) - 2011/11/23 14:16:01 ET
Table '473436394 2' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: brutalizer20 (7596 in chips)
Seat 2: broken_jia (11938 in chips)
Seat 3: pepachamp (908 in chips)
Seat 5: takatalvi (5937 in chips)
Seat 7: SHIMAGAM (621 in chips)
brutalizer20: posts the ante 75
broken_jia: posts the ante 75
pepachamp: posts the ante 75
takatalvi: posts the ante 75
SHIMAGAM: posts the ante 75
pepachamp: posts small blind 600
takatalvi: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to broken_jia [4d Qc 3s 6d]
SHIMAGAM: folds
brutalizer20: raises 1500 to 2700
broken_jia: raises 9163 to 11863 and is all-in
pepachamp: folds
takatalvi: folds
brutalizer20: calls 4821 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (4342) returned to broken_jia
*** FLOP *** [Qs 6c Kh]
*** TURN *** [Qs 6c Kh] [4h]
*** RIVER *** [Qs 6c Kh 4h] [Ah]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
brutalizer20: shows [5c Tc Kd As] (HI: two pair, Aces and Kings)
broken_jia: shows [4d Qc 3s 6d] (HI: two pair, Queens and Sixes)
brutalizer20 collected 17217 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 17217 | Rake 0
Board [Qs 6c Kh 4h Ah]
Seat 1: brutalizer20 showed [5c Tc Kd As] and won (17217) with HI: two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 2: broken_jia (button) showed [4d Qc 3s 6d] and lost with HI: two pair, Queens and Sixes
Seat 3: pepachamp (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: takatalvi (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: SHIMAGAM folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Bubble hand:

PokerStars Game #71019374047: Tournament #473436394, $13.89+$1.11 USD Omaha Hi/Lo No Limit - Level XIII (800/1600) - 2011/11/23 14:19:11 ET
Table '473436394 2' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: brutalizer20 (19619 in chips)
Seat 2: broken_jia (4676 in chips)
Seat 3: pepachamp (275 in chips)
Seat 5: takatalvi (2087 in chips)
Seat 7: SHIMAGAM (343 in chips)
brutalizer20: posts the ante 75
broken_jia: posts the ante 75
pepachamp: posts the ante 75
takatalvi: posts the ante 75
SHIMAGAM: posts the ante 75
takatalvi: posts small blind 800
SHIMAGAM: posts big blind 268 and is all-in
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to broken_jia [Js As Th Ad]
brutalizer20: folds
broken_jia: raises 3801 to 4601 and is all-in
pepachamp: folds
takatalvi: folds
Uncalled bet (3801) returned to broken_jia
*** FLOP *** [9s 2d Ac]
*** TURN *** [9s 2d Ac] [7s]
*** RIVER *** [9s 2d Ac 7s] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
broken_jia: shows [Js As Th Ad] (HI: a flush, Ace high)
broken_jia collected 1064 from side pot
SHIMAGAM: shows [Tc 5c 7c Jd] (HI: two pair, Sevens and Fives)
broken_jia collected 1179 from main pot
No low hand qualified
SHIMAGAM finished the tournament in 5th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2243 Main pot 1179. Side pot 1064. | Rake 0
Board [9s 2d Ac 7s 5s]
Seat 1: brutalizer20 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: broken_jia showed [Js As Th Ad] and won (2243) with HI: a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: pepachamp (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: takatalvi (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: SHIMAGAM (big blind) showed [Tc 5c 7c Jd] and lost with HI: two pair, Sevens and Fives

Hey! Good to see you on this subsection, you're O8 game is very solid so any contributions here would be added value.

Regarding the hotkeys, I'm still using my mouse to do the clicking, the up button sets the bet amount to all in and if I want to go all in, I just click the bet button. The setup is not very efficient if I want to shove in 5 tables in a row, but very good for quick folding/checking

My word that is horrid by Brutalizer.

It's Brutalizer, he's never raise folding. Given that, I don't like your 3-bet with a pretty crap hand. I have played a few of these with him, and his strategy seems to be to gamble and play super aggro.

Honestly, I doubt I would raise/fold it either. I would either be open-folding or going with it, as that is a pretty strong hand 5 ways, despite the uber-short stack. He is playing to win, not min-cash, and unless you have something like AA2 or AK2 he has good equity.

@ jia

1. dont bluff a guy with more money then you
2. dont bluff a high volume player that doesnt care about icm but gambles and tries to get in as many games possible ( and therefor doesnt really care busting )

that said: don't bluff brutalizer

This.

Also, not to be pointed or offensive, but this is the second hand you have posted recently jia, where you have overshoved with ****ty hands and got called by regs and gone on to comment about people not knowing or appreciating ICM. For ICM shoves to work you have to know that the other player understands the concept and can fold (but even this may not work, depending on what level they are thinking on). It might be the time to tighten your resteal range in these spots as chip leader against these players.

I've also realized that your posts are quite negative at times (or maybe just recently). Both hands that I've posted are ones are against regs whom I have played hundreds of SNGs against, perhaps even close to 1000 against jkfocus. Jk is one of the most active SNG grinders out there and surely he would be familiar with such concept. I posted some mathematical proof to support my reasoning on why it was a bad fold in response to your earlier post.

Regarding the most recent hand, its obviously not something that I'm making with differing stacks, but given the situation of 2 super short stacks on the bubble, its effectively a 2 pay jump. In his spot, his play should be to either 1) shove or 2) fold and possible 3) raise/call or limp/call to induce with the absolute top of his range (I'm talking AAxx and probably not even AK23ds which should be shoved).

The thing is, AAxx is such a small % of his range and is more likely he has a medium strength hand. I don't regret the play, probably just preferred it being another opponent...

Also, just to add. His equity being good or bad has no bearing on this hand. He needs to be something like 95% favorite for this to be a correct call and there's zero hand that's this superior against Q236 in O8. With that being the case, I actually think he should shove his entire range instead of inducing with the strong AAxx s.

Obvs its a clear shove spot from Brutalizer, and he should be shoving super wide. Brutalizer should be shoving his entire opening range for sure to avoid a situation like this where it hurts both of you.

The shove from jia is good, just never against Brutalizer(or other people we know are raise/calling 100% of their opening range).

finally some upswing. That was a long grind to get out of the life tilt.

this helped me sooo much:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qFRj...eature=related

Brutalizer has glitchy software....apparently he only has a pot/max button

@zuri
18 mans are soooooo hard.
Be the mtt man that you know you wanna be

Wiz

Yeah, I think you are correct that his range there is never going to be just AA. And I don't get why he didn't shove if he is going to raise call unless he wants to induce, which doesn't make sense here. I doubt I even want to induce with AA2 in that spot. The extra fold equity seems so crucial in this spot.

I think it is a good play against players you can pressure to fold. So the question then becomes, how can you exploit this player in these types of spots. He is making an exploitable play by just raising. So exploit him. You could flat him, especially if you would be first to act after the flop and could shove board textures that are bad for his range. Or you could narrow your 3-bet range to exploit his raise calling his non-premium hands, taking advantage of your aggro image having 3-bet him with crap previously.

In other words, perhaps making a play against him is a fine idea, just not that particular play. Making adjustments to his adjustments is the way to win, right?

You know you are right about the math and ICM. But if you have a player who doesn't respect these ideas and won't adjust to them, you have to adjust your play to get the most value of exploiting the mistakes they make. Use the math to recalculate the correct overshoving range.

This comes up for me a lot in hyperturbos. When I play against regs, I am constantly adjusting my calling ranges with them vs randoms. For regs who I know are shoving too wide, I expand my calling range, sometimes probably shocking them with what I call with. When they adjust and start shoving into me with a narrower range, I tighten up again. You prob need to go back and forth like this also with the regs in the 18mans.

haha wp sir!

I possibly struggle with constructive criticism at times...meh so be it.

I have played 100's against JK too when I was regging, and the guy is very average. Just because he plays **** loads doesn't make him aware of ICM. He is pretty bad IMO. As the analogy goes "He has played the same game 20k times, not 20k different games." He hasn't improved and he is a bottom feeder who has never really moved beyond that.

I didn't comment on what his 1st play should have been. In fact I haven't a clue why he raised that amount instead of folding or open shoving that hand.

The point is you are still assuming someone has similar knowledge and skill to yourself. Villain clearly didn't, because he called when he should have folded (that is a compliment btw). What I am trying to emphasise is that you are giving far too much credit to two regs here.

EXACTLY!! 100% my point. I think we agree.

I don't think I even mentioned equity in the Brutalizer hand, but I haven't re read my post. I understand the concept, and the play you tried to make and your logic. I still probably wouldn't have made here, a point you have already acknowledged.

Omaha Hi/Lo NL Tournament
PokerStars
7 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$3.16+$0.34

Stacks:
UTG (1,374)
UTG+1 (9,629)
MP (772)
CO (2,082)
BTN (2,496)
SB (2,463)
Hero (BB) (5,775)

Blinds: 150/300 Ante 25

Pre-Flop: (625, 7 players) Hero is BB A 4 A 5
UTG goes all-in 1,349, UTG+1 raises to 2,398, 4 folds, Hero goes all-in 5,750, UTG+1 calls 3,352

Flop: J 10 5 (13,174, 3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: 7 (13,174, 3 players, 2 all-in)

River: 5 (13,174, 3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: 13,174
UTG shows HI: two pair, Jacks and Tens
J 8 10 Q
UTG+1 shows HI: a full house, Fives full of Tens
5 A A 10
Hero shows HI: three of a kind, Fives
A 4 A 5

UTG+1 wins 13,174 (net +7,399)

UTG lost 1,374
Hero lost 5,775

Sometimes this site is a **** joke, not a funny one though...
Yeah, I am on tilt.

these hands come up all day. can happen 20 times in a row and i agree it isnt funny.

try: playing 12 hours of PL25 and play only 2 pots over 200 dollars, hold AA on an AQX board twice and have the guy holding QQ to see a river Q.
exactly the 2 pots i needed to make the grind profitable.

i guess SOMEONE wins these pots and we could make this person happy. could be good for Karma bakyka who knows

Within minutes of each other but in different tourneys. These games have become crazy the last few days

I just looked up wadzon's Sharkscope in 18 mans. For anyone interested (2% ROI in $15s over a 700+ sample):

Wow, thats surprising (wadzon stats).

Btw I checked the stats of peloteros50, he played ~2500 SNGs (mostly 18man turbos) in November with 4$ ABY and made 2100$ profit. Kinda impressive.

yea and he is stone cold horrible too ( as i wazdon ).
btw: stay away from nlhe 18man. played another 100 today. down like 40 buy ins getting it in better then u can ever imagine. Dunno if that's variance but it seems to happen in every session to me ( yea i might suck, but i just dont believe that losing an 13k chip pot with 5 left holding KK vs 53 is standart.. )

No, i dont think so. He has a LAG style, sometimes maybe makes too loose calls but in general I think he is ok.

his calling is so bad that he can't be good overall. calls 6k preflop with 6 left holding AJ55 for example.
maybe his style works to win money but i still have him colored as a fish.
just let be aggro and shove ur decent hands. he will call and be crushed.

hehe