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07-10-2017 , 11:26 AM
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$11 pot-limit 6-max SNG on Ignition. Very first hand (blinds 10/20, 1500 starting stack) so no reads outside of standard player profile for anon USA site.

Preflop: Hero is CO with A 4 5 T
Villain UTG raises to 70, Hero calls, everyone else folds

Flop: (170) J K 6
Villain checks, Hero bets 100, Villain calls

Turn: (370) 8
Villain checks, Hero bets 260, Villain calls

I play these all the time almost every night, and very very rarely does a pf raiser check a flush or top set twice. Any flush will be potted almost all the time, and top set will min bet a wet flop and pot a dry one.

River: (890) J
Villain checks, hero ?
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07-10-2017 , 12:38 PM
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Would be nice to hold the Ah and know they are not sitting on the nuts. River hits the calling range hard. Do we think they will fold a baby flush to a third barrel? Third barrel against this river looks strange to me, although I used to three barrel top set on these boards back in the day.


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07-11-2017 , 02:11 PM
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You are playing "I bet regardless of my hand when he checks". That is not necessarily a bad play, since his checks might indeed be way too weak like you note. Anyway, note that you have zero blockers to the range you are representing (i.e. if you bluff with this hand, you are very likely to massively overbluff this spot).

What is your value range on the river? I think the bottom should be somewhere in the region of T-high flush, though in practice I have to assume players might even check back A-high flush.

Without reads, I'd give up river, just because you have no blockers (and I definitely wouldn't play the previous streets this way).
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07-11-2017 , 07:30 PM
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seems like bad river card to bluff bec. you go from repping hearts on turn to full house on river... if you are going to bet can prolly be on small side 350ish bec he is never folding hearts to any sizing bit will fold KQA2 type hands to smaller bets anyway
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07-12-2017 , 01:15 AM
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Would be nice to hold the Ah and know they are not sitting on the nuts. River hits the calling range hard. Do we think they will fold a baby flush to a third barrel? Third barrel against this river looks strange to me, although I used to three barrel top set on these boards back in the day.
I don’t think he will fold a baby flush to third barrel only because I think he would have already bet the flush. What sort of range do you think he’s calling with here?


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You are playing "I bet regardless of my hand when he checks". That is not necessarily a bad play, since his checks might indeed be way too weak like you note.
Definitely this.

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What is your value range on the river? I think the bottom should be somewhere in the region of T-high flush, though in practice I have to assume players might even check back A-high flush.

Without reads, I'd give up river, just because you have no blockers (and I definitely wouldn't play the previous streets this way).
You don’t think the bottom is pretty much any missed low hearts or even a J, based on my reads above?

Oh the joy of anon sng poker - hard to do anything with what you learn about villain once he calls you down. In retrospect this would be another good argument for checking the river.

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seems like bad river card to bluff bec. you go from repping hearts on turn to full house on river... if you are going to bet can prolly be on small side 350ish bec he is never folding hearts to any sizing bit will fold KQA2 type hands to smaller bets anyway
Agree in theory, but as long as I don’t think he is repping either of those... At least I know you weren’t villain .

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I bet pot, villain called with A K T 4
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07-12-2017 , 04:35 AM
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massive spew....esp potting river
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07-12-2017 , 04:43 AM
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Check behind, and study a bit of omaha 8. So you can play well in future tournaments.
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07-12-2017 , 04:45 AM
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massive spew....esp potting river
Obv, and then hero villains pay the river as usual.
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07-12-2017 , 11:59 AM
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You don’t think the bottom is pretty much any missed low hearts or even a J, based on my reads above?

Oh the joy of anon sng poker - hard to do anything with what you learn about villain once he calls you down. In retrospect this would be another good argument for checking the river.
I think value betting say AJ is way too thin, same with say 7 high flush. You need for him to have enough weaker hands that can call. I guess if he (or the field) just always calls you down with AK, even these hands might be value bets.

Btw with a smallish flush there is nothing wrong for him to start check-calling on the flop and against your tendencies it's an easy calldown.
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07-12-2017 , 12:32 PM
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massive spew....esp potting river
You really think I am three-barreling with nothing over 1/3 of the time here?


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I think value betting say AJ is way too thin, same with say 7 high flush. You need for him to have enough weaker hands that can call. I guess if he (or the field) just always calls you down with AK, even these hands might be value bets.

Btw with a smallish flush there is nothing wrong for him to start check-calling on the flop and against your tendencies it's an easy calldown.
That's how I would play a small flush, but I almost never see anyone else do it. Guess that's why it seemed like an easy decision at the time - he's not check/calling small flushes, not checking back 2 pair/set that filled up on the river when I've been repping a flush, low and straight draws missed. Have to be stone-cold bluffing way too often for him to call. That's part of the reason my value-betting is so thin here - I can't check back all my hands with showdown value and only pot bluffs/nuts.
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07-12-2017 , 01:01 PM
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You really think I am three-barreling with nothing over 1/3 of the time here?
It has more to do with what I tried to explain in my first post. If you choose to bluff this hand (which is a bad hand to bluff due to no blockers), you will be overbluffing, or simply choosing the wrong hands for bluffing.

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That's how I would play a small flush, but I almost never see anyone else do it. Guess that's why it seemed like an easy decision at the time - he's not check/calling small flushes, not checking back 2 pair/set that filled up on the river when I've been repping a flush, low and straight draws missed. Have to be stone-cold bluffing way too often for him to call. That's part of the reason my value-betting is so thin here - I can't check back all my hands with showdown value and only pot bluffs/nuts.
Ok, but going as low as trips or baby flush is taking it very far. I know many players against who I'm sure T-high flush is a horribad value bet.

You are making big assumptions on how the field plays, but you might be right.
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