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Old 05-15-2017, 03:55 PM   #126
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Btn versus BB when SB folds is not 7 handed.

I just read that you might be Quantum. This makes a lot of sense. We miss your trolling magic.
By that logic we could say every hand is 2 or 3-handed therefore we should play 33 or 50% range and break even.

Cheers mate - people don't realise how good they have it until it's gone

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Congrats on your win PokinStaR!

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Yea I 2nd that and I'm sure Poke remembers what I said to him after he won. Feel free to share it if you want man
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Old 05-15-2017, 04:52 PM   #127
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You would play the hand the same as Isildur? LOL

How the hand should be played is .... FOLD pre, FOLD flop. The guy is effectively chasing a gutshot with a short stack after 2 days play

The turn action is woeful and he ends up chopping with 6 8 in his low hand. It's unspeakably bad on all streets
LOL at folding flop that likely doesnt hit pf raiser when getting 3:1. Turn is standard GII. What do you think antonio is ahead of on the turn?

And BTW basic math says there is a 32% chance 7-handed that nobody has a top 15% hand so fold away your small-stack big blinds to CL on the button if you want - you got your confirmation from Krusty.
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Old 05-15-2017, 06:51 PM   #128
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LOL at folding flop that likely doesnt hit pf raiser when getting 3:1. Turn is standard GII. What do you think antonio is ahead of on the turn?

And BTW basic math says there is a 32% chance 7-handed that nobody has a top 15% hand so fold away your small-stack big blinds to CL on the button if you want - you got your confirmation from Krusty.
You play your style, I'll play mine. Not sure either played their hand horribly, but both could have been played better IMO.
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Old 05-15-2017, 07:06 PM   #129
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Please stop defending Isildur guys. He played that hand terribly and having played with him in both NLO8 Hs I feel pretty comfortable saying he has no clue what he's doing.
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Old 05-15-2017, 07:23 PM   #130
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Please stop defending Isildur guys. He played that hand terribly and having played with him in both NLO8 Hs I feel pretty comfortable saying he has no clue what he's doing.
THIS

I've played against and watched Isildur do insane things in O8 for several years. Some guys are just suckers for a brand name or reputation.

Bad luck in the $1K that was a pretty bad call that bust you.

If people don't know Juice had (from memory) A 2 3 4/5 on A 5 K flop and a dude called him for stacks with A 3 9 K, like 100BB (think it was 250K stack at 1200/2400). It was awful I mean you could easily have a set and if you didn't have the set, you had A 2 3 4/5, which was roughly 55/45 favorite. Anyway gg

Of course the villain here defeated bedias HU to bink the whole thing
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Old 05-16-2017, 12:23 AM   #131
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About the Isildur hand why are you saying it is not HU Quantum? It clearly is. And if you're folding flops like that HU you're playing too tight and easily exploitable.

Having said that his stack off OTT is laughable which is no surprise coz he's shocking.

For me PF is a fold the majority of the time with a small % flatting and 3 betting depending on other factors.
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Old 05-16-2017, 12:35 AM   #132
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Interestingly if you look at the top 8 of the 1k nlo8 with exception of Bedias none of em are particular good at O8 but they are either mtt beasts and/or good at plo. Not really a surprise but just saying.
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Old 05-16-2017, 12:59 AM   #133
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Oh on PokinStar calling Quantum 2 faced etc for saying his opinions on some of the hands. I disagree even if it's clear that he is Quantum on here.

By the looks of twitch it's meant to be a bit of fun. I doubt you want some negative tin hat guy like Quantum clocking up your chat on the stream with his detailed hand analysis surely??? Wouldn't have thought it is the place for it.

I also don't get why he, I or anyone cannot be wish someone well or congratulate someone on a win but then critic the way hands were played etc on an o8 forum.

If anyone is going to broadcast themselves to the whole internet you better be thick skinned and able to brush off criticism. I certainly wouldn't do it but hats off to guys like PokinStar that are extrovert enough and want to share all this with god knows who.
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Old 05-16-2017, 09:21 AM   #134
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About the Isildur hand why are you saying it is not HU Quantum? It clearly is. And if you're folding flops like that HU you're playing too tight and easily exploitable.
For hand range purposes. There were 7 players dealt not 2 so it's not like we should be playing our HU range here. Everybody was playing tight at this stage even Isildur. Other than 2 PF shoves (one walk, one bust) I think this was 1 of only 3 hands he played on day 2.

Maybe I am exploitable in this spot on flop. Against my standard open A 6 8 T is definitely behind. The times I raise the button wide the wide part would include pure PLO hands - like TJQK, AJJK, TTQQ etc, all of which are great fits for that flop

Sure you can float any bet on any street or 3-bet trying to engineer a steal but at this stage with 25 BB should we not be looking for max TAG shove/fold unless we have hands that can flop great?

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Oh on PokinStar calling Quantum 2 faced etc for saying his opinions on some of the hands.
Think maybe Poke and I had struck up a friendship and he feels as if I betrayed that. If that's how he feels I accept that criticism. Just to be clear though I wasn't saying one thing to him on Twitch then another thing on 2+2 at the same time - they were different MTTs on different days

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I doubt you want some negative tin hat guy like Quantum clocking up your chat on the stream with his detailed hand analysis surely??? Wouldn't have thought it is the place for it.
Yea this. I offered him encouragement, congratulations and a bit of banter while watching his stream. He's similar to me in that he thinks, "tiltme420", is a good screen name
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Old 05-16-2017, 09:47 AM   #135
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For hand range purposes. There were 7 players dealt not 2 so it's not like we should be playing our HU range here. Everybody was playing tight at this stage even Isildur. Other than 2 PF shoves (one walk, one bust) I think this was 1 of only 3 hands he played on day 2.

Maybe I am exploitable in this spot on flop. Against my standard open A 6 8 T is definitely behind. The times I raise the button wide the wide part would include pure PLO hands - like TJQK, AJJK, TTQQ etc, all of which are great fits for that flop

Sure you can float any bet on any street or 3-bet trying to engineer a steal but at this stage with 25 BB should we not be looking for max TAG shove/fold unless we have hands that can flop great?



Think maybe Poke and I had struck up a friendship and he feels as if I betrayed that. If that's how he feels I accept that criticism. Just to be clear though I wasn't saying one thing to him on Twitch then another thing on 2+2 at the same time - they were different MTTs on different days



Yea this. I offered him encouragement, congratulations and a bit of banter while watching his stream. He's similar to me in that he thinks, "tiltme420", is a good screen name
Yeah I mean I agree that folding is probably correct unless this guy Antonia is playing really loose/spewy.

Yeah about the twitch thing with PokinStar I meant to add that it's a place for support and positive stuff so it doesn't seem to be the place for crticing HH's ha. I guess you tried to stealth here and I didn't even think I was outing you coz it was so obv
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Old 05-16-2017, 11:05 AM   #136
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Re: Scoop Schedule released

Anybody who can look at Pokin's sharkscope and think "that guy is not very good at poker" is thinking wayyyyy too narrowly about how poker works. For reference: in the 1k plo8 I had a table full of good players the whole time but I was very in control of what was going on up until the time Pokin arrived on my left, at which point I had about 5x as many tough decisions to make because he's super hard to range and just generally doesn't make your life easy. When I get to a table in o8 in the lategame and find someone who is playing super solid and almost never makes a big mistake I am waaaaay more happy with that than I am if someone like Pokin is sat there.

Also, there's something at work here that I think is more subtle which is that when you play a looser style and do it well, people will always perceive you to be lucky. I've intermittently live-pro'd no limit cash and play super loose (like 40%+ vpip) and crushed super hard and everyone at the table inevitably thinks I'm lucky because I would often win a big pot with some trash-ass hand. They don't see the times you fold aces in spots they wouldn't because you know the other guy has made two pair or whatever or the numerous times you flat a hand like 35s and then end up folding.

So congrats Pokin (I'm nsinger btw)
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Old 05-16-2017, 11:28 AM   #137
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Old 05-16-2017, 11:49 AM   #138
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Anybody who can look at Pokin's sharkscope and think "that guy is not very good at poker" is thinking wayyyyy too narrowly about how poker works. For reference: in the 1k plo8 I had a table full of good players the whole time but I was very in control of what was going on up until the time Pokin arrived on my left, at which point I had about 5x as many tough decisions to make because he's super hard to range and just generally doesn't make your life easy. When I get to a table in o8 in the lategame and find someone who is playing super solid and almost never makes a big mistake I am waaaaay more happy with that than I am if someone like Pokin is sat there.

Also, there's something at work here that I think is more subtle which is that when you play a looser style and do it well, people will always perceive you to be lucky. I've intermittently live-pro'd no limit cash and play super loose (like 40%+ vpip) and crushed super hard and everyone at the table inevitably thinks I'm lucky because I would often win a big pot with some trash-ass hand. They don't see the times you fold aces in spots they wouldn't because you know the other guy has made two pair or whatever or the numerous times you flat a hand like 35s and then end up folding.

So congrats Pokin (I'm nsinger btw)
Hi nsinger

Agree with the majority of what you're saying. It is rather concerning though that Pokin actually thought he should be calling off 66j7 in the first hand to a 41bb shove. Cant remember the bounty but a call couldn't be anything but horrenendous.
There are a number of hands imo he played badly t the ft but I do agree he can be tricky to play against as putting him on a range is impossible. I would also rather have solid ABC players than really loose players but I would rather be myself somewhere inbetween.

If were me that won all the money I couldn't give a flying **** what a bunch of 08 start forum regs thought though.
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Old 05-16-2017, 12:30 PM   #139
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If were me that won all the money I couldn't give a flying **** what a bunch of 08 start forum regs thought though.
So much this.
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Old 05-16-2017, 02:20 PM   #140
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Fwiw, I disagree with Unnatural, Billy and Quantum about Isildur. He is pretty good at O8, and is smart. (When he's not tilting, which can seem to be somewhat often.)
I've played with him a TON this SCOOP everywhere, both in mtt and cash, including for a while in that 1k NLO8 event.
He wasn't great at it, like I don't think he quite understands NLO8 mtts specifically yet, but he played fine when he was at my table.
Also I've watched literally countless high stakes hands of his in O8, against the best. It's definitely unfair to say that he doesn't have a clue.

Also, not surprising that Quantum didn't like my play, even if it's an obv exaggeration. It can look bad when you run into the top of someone's range, and they somehow have the specific hand that snaps you off, rather than having any other hand that you get SO many folds from.
Not going to go into defending it further.
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Old 05-16-2017, 02:38 PM   #141
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Just because someone is good at FLO8 doesn't mean that they are good at PLO8/NLO8...Big difference
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Old 05-16-2017, 03:12 PM   #142
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Yes, I know. That's why I elaborated, and put in the extra details specifically about NLO8, and that tournament.
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Old 05-16-2017, 03:27 PM   #143
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yes but nobody was talking about his ability in FLO8 so its irrelevant to the discussion
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Old 05-16-2017, 03:31 PM   #144
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Pretty good we can have a discussion here without abusing ppl....we all have our good and bad plays and opinions...omb was quite toxic for this forum imo.

gl all for rest of scoop.
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Old 05-16-2017, 10:54 PM   #145
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Isildur chip leader going into day 2 of PLO8 M obviously

Also is Charlie Carroll the best PLO8 MTT player in the world?
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Old 05-16-2017, 10:59 PM   #146
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Isildur chip leader going into day 2 of PLO8 M obviously

Also is Charlie Carroll the best PLO8 MTT player in the world?
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Old 05-17-2017, 01:29 AM   #147
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I doubt Q is going to agree with play that deviates from the standard TAG line
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Old 05-18-2017, 02:28 AM   #148
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I doubt Q is going to agree with play that deviates from the standard TAG line
This. Isi hand is all about pre. Fold looks legit and I am sure the super pros itt can confirm the exact optimum blind defence % based on stack sizes and table dynamics. I can't fold flop there if I get to the spot isi is in there​ though.

On a less serious note I am so out of the loop these days but I feel comfortable now tighty the trollmeister is back. It's like going back 3 years to the glory days. Someone needs to link some quantum billyg banter war for this thread to be complete.

Amok is right. Thread approaching 5 star.
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Old 05-18-2017, 09:17 AM   #149
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This. Isi hand is all about pre. Fold looks legit and I am sure the super pros itt can confirm the exact optimum blind defence % based on stack sizes and table dynamics. I can't fold flop there if I get to the spot isi is in there​ though.
It's a "defensible defense" of BB for an aggro player. There are different styles that work for different players.
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Old 05-18-2017, 06:17 PM   #150
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Boeken is running hot in scoop 42 low right now
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