Ah, my bad.

Yes, it is. Variance is weird.

NLO8 H > 27% players paid. Seems like too many, despite REs.

Top 10 w/ 38 left incl. Angry Juice, bokkie, Juicy, Isildur1, and Hero

Hero, I was watching some 8G. Saw you catch a nice two outer (KT vs. AA OTT) in NLH. You got some serious respect in Stud8 when you had 3 clubs, no pair showing and both players folded OTR with open pairs (AA & 99). Did you hit your flush and/or a low? Wouldn't you bluff catch w/ AA+ there?

Edit: Wow, it's not every day you can raise CL OTF with K999r in NLO8! lmao

>27%? What? It was 15% of the field paid
Yes, and yes. Hit a straight and a low.
Haha yeah, that was very funny . Pretty special.

GL tomorrow guys

Says it all really...

@lotuspod....what point are you trying to prove and why do you care so much? You're just sounding ****in nuts lol.

It's just obvious that stars will have tougher fields in mtts and tougher cash games but that's a huge generalisation with regards to cash games and doesn't mean that everyone on WPN is weaker than everyone on stars lol. Stars mtt's **** on everywhere else so it's obvious that all the stronger mtt players will focus there.

Just let it go. Amok is an arrogant dick 98% of the time to pretty much everyone so don't take it to heart pls. Just post his losing mtt stats a few times more or something like that.

I'm pretty much not allowed to win a hand in SCOOP this year but my only consolation is that sex clone weirdo omb is failing so hard. About time the spewtard stops running golden. Long may it continue pls. Him not me obv

Sorry for the hijack even, but I mentioned nothing about any of this in this thread until amok popped up with that quote I'm guessing after he saw I wished juicy gl...which is the only reason I posted here in the first place. I've played against juicy a bit and respect his game a lot, even without the recent mtt score.

The point is that it's simply not true anymore billy. Many of the ones coming over are your strongest, most well-established pstars regs looking for even more volume because of dwindling mid-high stakes volume on stars + as a kind of protest to amaya greed lately. Whole stables in some cases even, check thrash staking and others in the 2p2 marketplace and they pretty much spell it out for you right there. Add to that, the wpn beast/snc promos further reward high-volume grinders and reg-battling more than any other site right now. Our $7 and $15 plo8 mttsngs run far more than on stars, and at over 100% rakeback for high volume regs...you think that won't make the games a bit tough?

I was all for letting it go ages ago and even made solid efforts to do so(even billy is one of my favorite posters here these days), but when amok and a few others keep trying to make one of the last few places I'm allowed to play at into being some kind of joke site...it discourages others on the fence from even giving it a try. It's kinda hard to not care at all, when all of his crap about it is counterproductive to what I've been working on lately.

Also ty to hero value for the advice lol, instead of doing at least a tiny little bit for o8 (which has done a hell of a lot for you lately tbh) you decide to spend your time defending some bumhunting long-time forum troll for reasons idk why even lol. Really disappointing since you and some others' comments after the whole merge crap kinda helped tip the scales a bit for me when I wanted to quit after getting the rest of my merge roll out.

Even on my fairly limited BR I still manage to try and keep the smaller stakes active by giving out tons of hours of free coaching and stakes with a very generous player cut to o8 regs who are struggling or just a bit new. On top of that, I've been taking time away from the tables lately to dust off my programmer's hat and learn how to code Discord apps/bots to further make it a more social community with a ton of time-saving (time=money) and other features for grinders.

I'm even not doing all this crap to brag or for some silly ego bs like you try to say hero(honestly you of all o8 regs are one of the last few people who can even begin to accuse someone of ego crap rofl, but I'll still respect you again when you get back to reality). No, the honest truth is that this is stuff holdem and plo guys have already been doing and it has been working for them. I've gotten many of these general ideas from Thrash and a few other very solid and mostly unbiased sources tbh...who said in a fairly polite way that the o8 community really needs a lot of work in all of these areas to stand a decent chance at growing these days.

How would you like it if your country suddenly blocked / overtaxed / ringfenced / whatever - the main sites and/or blacklisted you simply for winning too much(or at Vegas/WSOP)? There's a few of you who probably need this to happen to you(as much as I'd hate seeing someone else go through it), it would be a good reality-check and might put a few things into perspective for you. If you still manage to come back from all of that crap, then come talk to me. Until then, it seems like we will never see eye-to-eye on poker.

Him and amok are basically doing the sports equivalent of kicking dirt on an injured/downed player who isn't able to play. Congrats on that lol I suppose, truly one of your finest moments I'm sure.

Anyway I've wasted enough time here, gl

I have played 10's of 1000's of cash hands on ACR and the mtts I have played are really soft compared to stars. The reason stars regs go to play cash on pretty average ACR software is simply there are a load of US fish there. I am stating the obvious surely.

It makes no difference to me whatsoever and don't particularly like O8 anymore or pokerstars(for obv reasons) but this is just how it is. I play on stars simply because the software is good and has a vast rang of mtts that no other site come close to competing with. As I said you seem to be taking things to heart that you shouldn't be. Especially listening to what Captain Arrogant Amok has to say lol.

You must be Quantum I think or am I just pointing out the super obvious?

Also, i'd say that there are some good cash games on ACR with a good mix of decent regs and fish which is good. I've never liked the software on ACR which surely needs an overhall but they probably wont.

I am still hoping a new Phil Galfond site opens and has some good non nlhe/PLO games but idk if this is still even happening.

I couldn't really care less about billy's, omybike's or someone elses results. Strikes me as a bit pathetic to be happy someone else is doing bad.

Regarding my results, for me it's always the same in these big events, play easily +10evbb/100 solid poker in super soft fields and never cash. If this continues ad infinitum yes I will be a losing tournament player.

Who is Quantum though and why isn't he taking his meds?

Quantum is a bit of a legend on this forum until he got banned for his rather highly strung volatile behavior and wacky conspiracy theories

It's pretty much only omb that I really like to see fail. He stopped posting after his sex clone confessions. No loss to this forum as he was a horrendous poster in so many ways.

And just to reiterate. Seeing that guy that barely knows the rules win the 1k event pretty much says it all with respect to variance in mtt's and the skill level(or lack of it in this case) to be 'successful'

What is obvious to some is voodoo to others Billy but cheers mate

I know how much variance sucks especially on PokerStars and I don't like being negative in any way towards players without stellar records. I actually have a lot of sympathy for you now and can understand why you are acerbic sometimes - I can lose my mind when I'm running + 50% ROI so, yea.

I realised something yesterday playing with "UhhMee", one of the biggest if not the biggest winner in PokerStars MTT history. He has won bracelets in O8, won huge NLHE bracelets. To add to his $7 mil + on PS MTTs he has $1 mil + on FT MTTs. He's even won live events (like Aussie Millions). Weirdly though he is a losing/break even player on every other site and has lost a fortune in cash games (even on PS he has lost like $500K). How is that possible? The same "best in the world" game on PS MTTs gets crushed everywhere else online? I've played with the guy a bunch of times and thought he was very aggro and very lucky but now it just looks to me like some players are set to win or lose on PokerStars. I'm thinking Isildur1 who OK is exciting but plays some truly horrific poker. He flips for stacks constantly and the majority of the time has the worst hand. The only way it's possible to flip behind and win $millions in MTTs over years is ?????

I really do care about results but only those of the biggest winners. Usually a guy gets one lucky score and thinks he is a cross between Phil Ivey and Jesus. Then it's like stacking up in MTTs, you just keep shoving behind but if your stack is big enough eventually you will bust the other guy

Quantum is just some dude who has never lost from the moment he started playing O8 and likes to cry a lot that he never gets close to guys like UhhMee or Isildur1

I don't take my meds because then I wouldn't remember how bad I run on Stars and would go back to playing on Stars all day

If you want to talk variance my variance this month doesn't fit on charts. It's one of those I'm 80% + on turn 1000 times and lose 1000 in a row. UhhMee destroyed me last night with BS not even an amateur would try. I haven't checked but he probably won another 5 bracelets after that.

I wrote an official complaint to UKGC with my data showing that with my very best hands I have variance > 5 standard deviations. That's statistical proof PokerStars are cheats, as in, it's literally impossible for random chance to produce that result. But my millions of hands are too small and Stars never have or will release their results - the fact they keep it under lock and key and only 3 people on Earth can look at the results protects them from scrutiny and lawsuits.

Anyway I can barely believe I'm saying this but I could easily coach you to be a winning player even on Stars. No offence amok but - 12% ROI lifetime is more than just variance. You also need to up your volume significantly

Conclusion of NLO8 H should be good. Tables include Juicy vs. AngryJuice, Hero vs. isildur, and bokkie vs. bedias.
NLO8 M has bokkie vs. Shtopol, both top 4 in chips.

Post your graphs here then or shut up already.

Quantum 2.0... errr 17.0?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/10...88/?highlight=

Quantum... UK... the tone

Haha it's probably Quantum version infinity.0017 by now

don't ban Quantum17 though I promise that's not me, fairly obvious it's not me when they ask for a coach. Plus I wouldn't use that name for obvious reasons

@STEK - it took me like a month to produce the material in the first place. If you have ever used PT4 you will know how painstaking it is to load and analyse millions of hands. I've two new laptops since then and am now on Mac so no, unless petitioned by a court or someone willing to pay me, I won't be doing that again. I did post them on 2+2 at the time and was promptly cleaned, banned, IP banned, all sorts, by Mason/Mat (think Mat? can't remember). Even if I had the info at hand I wouldn't post it here and drive traffic and money into his pockets

UR a master of bad comedy.

I assumed it was Quantum up until he congratulated me on getting 2nd lol

Are we friends now Q?

I never disliked you man, just didn't enjoy you getting all the good variance in the $60s and $100s! We probably had a few disagreements with me calling you a lucky fish and you claiming you knew how to play poker better than me but water under the bridge

With the years and effort you put in I'm happy for you, really, hope you had a nice blowout

HaHaHa thanks man

GL in the rest of SCOOP

BTW congrats on bubbling the 1k Phatlat *****

He wrote this in a thread in which I was trying to sell action to WCOOP

Phatlat is a dude I don't enjoy. He's borderline terrible was losing break-even for several years then got one big score and is currently suffering from Ivey-Jesus Syndrome

Came back to wish you GL in Day 2 and to offer a little advice ..... your style matches better with some players than others - try to avoid bedias, joao, blanco and nuro (the relatively tight guys) - and you got a good chance of another huge score