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Old 03-14-2017, 11:13 PM   #1
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River Sizing in a 5 Card PLO8 variation game

This game is a variation of PLO8 with the exception of having 5 cards in your hand pre. This is a 1/2 NLH home game that basically plays like 2/5 (20-30pre) where once an orbit we play 5card PLO8. Typical stack sizes range from 500-2500 so it does get quite deep.

How it works is that you can use all 5 cards in your hand without using the community cards or you can use any combo of two cards in your hand to make the high/low/both (A2345 straight flush is the nuts since it's both the best high and low).

SB: $500
BB (Villain): $1500
UTG: $1800
UTG+1: $500
MP1: $700
HJ: (Hero): $1750
CO: $600
BTN: $1300

Hero dealt: A996Q

Preflop:
UTG calls $2, UTG+1 calls $2, Hero calls $2, CO calls $2, BTN calls $2, SB folds, Villain makes it $18 total. Everyone calls.

Flop: (Pot $109)
952
Villain bets $100, fold, call, Hero calls, call, call.

Turn: (Pot $609)
952J
Villain bets $500, fold, Hero calls, fold, fold.

River: ($1609)
952J3
Villain checks, Hero?

Villain has a little under $900 left. If you are betting, what do you bet and why? Remember, since you can use all 5 cards in your hand, I'm not quite nutted since villain can have a straight flush, better low to chop, a full house in his hand with a better low, etc. I'm not much of a PLO8 player so I tend to nut pedal when playing 5card. Villain likes to juice pots up pre in 5card. Tends to overvalue hands in NLH postflop. At this point I have an A high Flush with a 6 low.
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Old 03-15-2017, 12:53 AM   #2
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Re: River Sizing in a 5 Card PLO8 variation game

very clear fold preflop (this shouldn't even be limped but especially when you get iso'd)

this hand is frankly awful. it is bad in regular 5plo8, but it is especially bad in this variant because not only is your 5 card hand useless but a strong made 5 card like high trips or w/e can have you nearly drawing dead preflop.

i would raise flop as played since this is basically the best possible flop for you. you can be drawing slim vs super nutted 5 card hands i guess, but you also need a lot of protection from the low draws/5card made lows. same thoughts on turn

on river, i think his check is pretty weak. i don't see much merit to him checking to trap in .5 SPR. Maybe he could check call naked A4, but i think most people are shoving that to try and fold out better high hands like medium flushes, 46, etc.

with that in mind, i don't think we are getting scooped or quartered ever. therefore, shove and hope something good happens. sometimes villain might call with a worsehigh (like maybe a made flush in hand or medium flush on board, etc.) or fold with A36 type hands that have a quarter of the pot.

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Old 03-15-2017, 04:30 AM   #3
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Re: River Sizing in a 5 Card PLO8 variation game

Put him all in, you are guaranteed half pretty much always, villain play is not consistent with nut low and quads or straight flush

He could however have a better hi hand using multiple cards from hand that may fold so you might as well put him under pressure if he has a bad full house in hand that beats your high

Edit: I guess getting quartered is a somewhat legitimate concern but should still be discounted given villain's line, I still think shove is right
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Old 03-15-2017, 04:38 AM   #4
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Re: River Sizing in a 5 Card PLO8 variation game

I shove because anything less would be an inappropriate bet in relation to the pot and it looks the most like you only have half of the pot and are trying to buy the rest.

BTW you managed to misplay every street so far. Fold pre the first time, fold it again the second time, raise flop (arguable I guess I know lots of people like to peel one with top set in Big O and you had people behind), and definitely raise turn. You can't claim to be a nut peddler if you're calling $18 pre with AQ996. Big O is an easy game to wait for AA/A2 in, or at least something more coordinated.

I don't think a wheel in the hole is a realistic fear, that seems like it would only occur very rarely.
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Old 03-15-2017, 04:41 AM   #5
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Re: River Sizing in a 5 Card PLO8 variation game

You block both straightflushes and the 3 might have counterfittet his low, so jam and pray he calls A6xxx with smaller clubs
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Old 03-15-2017, 07:03 AM   #6
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Re: River Sizing in a 5 Card PLO8 variation game

i honestly don't have a good sense of what I should be doing pre in PLO8 let alone 5plo8 so I appreciate the advice everyone. Any recommendations on any good books/videos to learn the game?
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Old 03-15-2017, 08:53 AM   #7
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Re: River Sizing in a 5 Card PLO8 variation game

would also fold preflop...but if u Play it u have shove on that flop because there to many Cards who make it difficult for u on the turn

i don't know good books about plo8/nlo8 but i think its even better to discuss spots and Hands with others who also Play nlo8/Plo8

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Old 03-15-2017, 12:53 PM   #8
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Re: River Sizing in a 5 Card PLO8 variation game

this hand is trash and should be folded pre. once you see the flop where you flop the nuts with the nut flush redraw you should get as much money in as you can. i can maaaaybe see flatting the flop but for the love of god, pot the turn! absolutely pot the river. it is a disaster when you split the pot after showdown and he has an emergency low.
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Old 03-15-2017, 12:57 PM   #9
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Re: River Sizing in a 5 Card PLO8 variation game

[ ] has the nuts on the flop, read how the game is played.

also i am fine with both streets, jam river of course.
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Old 03-15-2017, 01:13 PM   #10
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Re: River Sizing in a 5 Card PLO8 variation game

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How it works is that you can use all 5 cards in your hand without using the community cards or you can use any combo of two cards in your hand to make the high/low/both (A2345 straight flush is the nuts since it's both the best high and low).
What the.....?!?!

There's no way I'd be putting any money in without the mortal nuts at least one way. Fold on every street but as played it seems like you're never scooping to be honest. As played I'm checking back praying to get half.

Agreed with DaCus3, all the above advice seems predicated on not reading the vital exert I've quoted.
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Old 03-15-2017, 01:28 PM   #11
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What the.....?!?!

There's no way I'd be putting any money in without the mortal nuts at least one way. Fold on every street but as played it seems like you're never scooping to be honest. As played I'm checking back praying to get half.

Agreed with DaCus3, all the above advice seems predicated on not reading the vital exert I've quoted.
This game is the devil.
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Old 03-15-2017, 01:32 PM   #12
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Re: River Sizing in a 5 Card PLO8 variation game

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What the.....?!?!

There's no way I'd be putting any money in without the mortal nuts at least one way. Fold on every street but as played it seems like you're never scooping to be honest. As played I'm checking back praying to get half.

Agreed with DaCus3, all the above advice seems predicated on not reading the vital exert I've quoted.
Just getting dealt a super nutted 5 card hand is pretty hard to do. A full house is 0.14% of the time. And against anything worse, we are doing fine on the flop.

Against trips/straight/worse flush, all of our flush outs and boat outs are live (and very possibly our low if we can get it heads up). So we should be ahead.
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Old 03-15-2017, 07:07 PM   #13
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Re: River Sizing in a 5 Card PLO8 variation game

GrimIsCool, you are not understanding the game. You have to use either two cards or all five cards. There is no chance we don't have the winning hand one way or the other. A pot size bet is a no brainer.

The only hand that can beat us is a pat steal wheel or a4c6cXX and the villain obviously doesn't have that based on how they have been betting.

Most likely we are going to scoop a pat flush or a pat low.
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Old 03-15-2017, 11:59 PM   #14
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Re: River Sizing in a 5 Card PLO8 variation game

This game is called deuceorall. Your hand is awful pre and needs to be folded at both opportunities. Having failed to do that, I would jam flop, turn, and river.
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Old 03-19-2017, 01:10 PM   #15
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Re: River Sizing in a 5 Card PLO8 variation game

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this hand is trash and should be folded pre. once you see the flop where you flop the nuts with the nut flush redraw you should get as much money in as you can. i can maaaaybe see flatting the flop but for the love of god, pot the turn! absolutely pot the river. it is a disaster when you split the pot after showdown and he has an emergency low.
Umm, the only "emergency low" that he can have is a wheel... Hero has 2nd nut low. I do agree with jamming it at every opportunity after calling preflop.

So what happened? Villain rolls over AAA44?
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Old 03-19-2017, 08:54 PM   #16
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Umm, the only "emergency low" that he can have is a wheel... Hero has 2nd nut low. I do agree with jamming it at every opportunity after calling preflop.

So what happened? Villain rolls over AAA44?
Is villian really checking AAA44 on the river? Granted, I've never played a game quite like this so if full house losing to a straight flush is common than I dunno. I feel like this would be the equivalent of checking AK on AKKxx fearing your opponent has AA...you block an A so the odds of him having 3 aces is very small. I guess you have to jam? The more I think about the hand the more I feel like villian just has a naked wheel. AA4xx no clubs makes sense. But don't think you can check back river in case he has like A6 with the king hi flush, which I think he can have. Results?
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Old 03-21-2017, 12:41 AM   #17
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Re: River Sizing in a 5 Card PLO8 variation game

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This game is called deuceorall. Your hand is awful pre and needs to be folded at both opportunities. Having failed to do that, I would jam flop, turn, and river.
All of this.
I heard this game was called Sneaky Pete, although that might have been where you can use any number of hole cards (up to 5).
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Umm, the only "emergency low" that he can have is a wheel... Hero has 2nd nut low. I do agree with jamming it at every opportunity after calling preflop.
And this.
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Old 03-21-2017, 06:51 PM   #18
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Re: River Sizing in a 5 Card PLO8 variation game

Appreciate the advice all. I jammed river and villain mucked. He stated that he had a Q high flush in his hand and that the 3c counterfeited his low draw.
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Villian is terrible
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