Hi. I read an article once recommending a player with high cards raise pots from late position when there have been 2+ limper's, with the expectations that the limper's probably share low cards. There is the likelihood that the flop will only have 1 card to the low with your villians now drawing to runner runner over half the pot.

Has anyone had success playing for the high end scoop, and if so, what are the circumstances you would attempt this play? Is it possible in a low limit game, or would these players look you up with a single pair and no low, or do you think they give up if after the turn there is only 1 low card?

Solid strategy. I think it should be in any winning player's repertoire. Of course, be ready to check fold when the board has 2 or 3 low cards hit. I've seen that happen in family pots, 10-handed.

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Thanks. And yes, the strategy is if the flop hits the low hands, and makes the likelihood of them continuing greater, the hi-scoop player needs to slow down.

One of the local charity games runs limit O8 on Mondays. I used to play PLO8 online, but haven't since they shut down US poker online.

I'll post my session results/thoughts. Cheers����

I think it's a lot like raising 87s in limit hold em in a multiway pot. You probably don't have much of an equity edge to push but you also don't lose much and you do get some deception value and throw your opponents off. I wouldn't recommend doing it very much, but against the right opponents it can be ok. Personally I would only raise with double suited hands. I like that a lot of my opponents will check to me on a 2-low card flop and I can take a 4 card flop, and lead into me on a high flop so I can punish them. I think the best default play by far is to limp or fold these hands though.

Don't go too crazy with extrapolating the flop from card removal based on your opponents perceived ranges. They MAY have low cards in their hand, but if you have a hand like KQJT you already have 4 of the 20 high cards in the deck killed, so at best it's a neutral situation in terms of the flop coming low or high.

It's true that Hero's opponents are more likely to have low cards when Hero has four high cards. However, it's also true that the flop is more likely to have low cards.

When Hero has four high cards, only roughly one flop in four (25.44%... from 4400/17296) will have either three high cards or two high cards plus one low card. The other three flops in four will have two or three low cards.

I guess you mean has anyone had success raising before the flop with four high cards. The answer is yes. However, it's highly opponent dependent.

For me it's dependent on a variety of factors. I think you either want opponents who will play poorly and chase with hands they should fold when they miss the flop... or you want skitterish, cowardly opponents who will fold strong starting hands to your pre-flop raise.

Highly specific opponent dependent.

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Thanks for this post. I have never even thought about this until now. I believe that this strategy only works if you know your opponents well, and at what stakes you are playing. And then know what your blinds will do. I believe that if you are in a tight game with tight blinds then this seems like a very viable ploy. All in all at the lower limits this move has minimal ev, but maybe in a kill pot with tight thinking players this works best.

Table dynamics and stack sizes are critical factors to consider here. I.e. are you likely to be limp re-raised. Are opponents fit or fold - or will they try to rep the nut hi hand you are holding? Are they likely to felt a non nut hi only hand?. Generally I prefer to do raise this type of hand when I am deeper. It is also a play that gives you a range advantage in other hands which is usefull ...

So it looks like the 1st chance i will have to play is this coming monday night. the game is at a charity event in northern illinois. i have no idea how this is going to go, if the players are any good, tight, or what. it's a limit 8/16 game, with a 10/20 kill. i think.

i'm not going to go crazy raising in late position in a limit game, but if i get a hunch several players seem to be limping with low cards, i'll try it, and post results.

if i get felted early, you'll never hear from me again. lol. just kidding.

Frequently at limit, but I need an ace in pot limit.

The RCG Monday O8 game is 6/12 with a kill to 10/20. Better than 50/50 chance you will be sitting with a circuit O8 champion, so, yeah, don't expect a table full of droolers!

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