On the Flop I was not sure whether my hand is quite strong or rather medium

Poker Stars $0.20/$0.40 Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 6 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with Q 3 A Q
2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls

Flop: (6 SB) 8 7 4 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (3 BB) K (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero folds...

See how ProPokerTools rates it as a starting hand. Do you know how to do that?

http://www.propokertools.com/simulations?g=o8

Then, using ProPokerTools, simulate the hand against 2 random hands. Do you know how to do that?

Then, using ProPokerTools, simulate the hand after this flop against 2 random hands. Is the equity of the hand vs. 2 random hands greater before the flop or after the flop?


I'd bet.

Looks a bit like BB has a king... but maybe he slow played a low straight or just A2YZ for one round. Hard to say without knowing how BB plays other hands as BB.

Or maybe BB just made a mistake on the first betting round, or maybe BB wanted to see if anybody would bet behind him after he checked.

Hard to say without knowing how BB has played other hands as BB. Even knowing, it would be hard to say.
But without knowing more, I'd include KKYZ or KXYZ in BB's possible range.

I think that's too tight. Consider raising.

Buzz

Cool, thanks, yeah I even have the Pro version of Poker Pro Tools client (dont know why tho :P) - I guess I better start using it ^^

I kind of thought that's a bit tight yaknow, I think I'm stuck with Omaha Hi mindset too much.

So after couple of minutes I played a hand like this, what do you think?

Poker Stars $0.20/$0.40 Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 6 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with Q Q 3 4
1 fold, MP raises, CO calls, BTN calls, SB calls, Hero calls

Flop: (10 SB) J 4 7 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets, BTN calls, SB calls, Hero calls, MP calls

Turn: (7.5 BB) 2 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets, BTN folds, SB calls, Hero calls, MP folds

River: (10.5 BB) J (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, SB folds, Hero calls

OK.

OK.

I'd fold. In other words, I check/fold to a bet on this flop.

OK.

Because of the increased size of the pot, this one is closer. I think you should have folded on betting round #2, but if you didn't, what to do becomes murky. I think it's still a fold, but it's closer. I wouldn't fault you for calling here, looking for a queen, a four, or an ace on the river.

OK.

OK. Now the pot size is too big to fold to one bet.

Buzz

I'd bet the flop. 2nd nut low and an overpair is a ton of hand here. As played, call turn. BB should be betting very wide and you have a good shot at half at the very least.

Thanks guys

Sorry for the confusion Rich, but this is a different hand now, its QQ34 so there is no 2nd Low draw (ignore the thread title)

Hey, to follow the concept of betting a bit more, here's another different hand, where I raised on Flop (to narrow the field and to protect from Low draws) with bare overpair of AA:
(lemme know what you guys think )

Poker Stars $0.20/$0.40 Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 4 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with A A 9 T
CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB checks

Flop: (4 SB) 6 Q 9 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB folds, CO calls

Turn: (4 BB) 2 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets, CO calls

River: (6 BB) J (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

OP:

In the future, please keep each hand in its own thread(although posting too many hands in one day might be a bit much, as well).

Hand 1: 100% what Rich Gangi said. I'm just going to reiterate---Checking that flop with the second nut low and a big overpair is a huge mistake! You have to start taking control of these hands/situations, otherwise, you're going to be leaving tons of money on the table and/or getting bluffed out of the pot with the best hand. If it goes check/check on the flop/turn, I'm going to be betting both of these streets but I might opt to take the free showdown if it goes check/check again and I feel that one of them might hold A2.

Hand 2: I would raise pre if I thought the blinds were capable of folding. Otherwise the rest looks pretty standard..