Plugging O8 Leaks (From LHE to LO8) - Page 4 - Omaha 8 Poker Forum

Hey OP,

I was an exclusive LHE player for years, and only started learning O and E about 6 months before Black Friday. Since BF I've played mostly live mixed games, so I feel like I may be able to help you out here a bit. I've said for a long time that I believe the transition from LHE to O8 is one of the hardest transitions to make in poker. Split pot games in general require a whole different way of evaluating situations, and a lot of things that are good habits in LHE turn into disastrous plays in O8.

The first example that I will always point to is flopping two pair. In LHE this is a nut flop, one that you almost always feel comfortable jamming, and you will usually feel you have the best hand. In LO8, flopping two pair can mean anything from JAMJAMJAM to immediately fold for one bet on the flop, with lots of space in between depending on the situation.

The most important thing when learning to play split pot in general is just to never forget that your main objective should always be scooping. There's a bit of a mental tendency among poker players that begin playing O8 that says something along the lines of "I want to play hands that go both high and low" because early on, you immediately learn that hands like A23K are strong. This leads to people looking at hands like QJ32 and evaluating them as playable in many situations where they are not actually playable. It's not that you want to play hands that can go both high and low. You want to play hands that scoop. High-only hands can hold tremendous value, as can "low-only" hands.

Can't write any more at this time, will bookmark the thread for another time.

Thanks for post. I need to re-read Ray Zee's book over and over again. LO8 has me down. "You've got to know when to hold'em..."

Last edited by leavesofliberty; 06-22-2017 at 04:53 AM.

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07-30-2017 , 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NLOmahaHL

I find it ironic you guys are arguing over these two hands that are leaky af in a thread about O8 leaks.
(A2)89 is better than either (A2)99 or (A2)88, which is funny.

There are 2 reasons A289 is better than A299. First, the 8 gives you emergency low potential in case one of your other cards gets counterfeited. Second, again, you can make both the high and the low with A289 and the cards work together. You can make the high end of a straight and also the nut low. In fact the specific cards that give you the high end of a straight automatically give you the low as well. You're not playing the 89 to hit a TJQ flop.

A288 is better than A299 not because it's better HU hot/cold or other unrealistic reasons. It's because of the hands you're going to play out when you actually hit something. Hitting a 8xx flop with A288 is better than hitting a 9xx flop with A299. You are already 33% of the way toward making your nut low on the 8xx flop. And you're probably not going to continue unless you have low potential. 8TJ is not a good flop for A288, so you're probably not going to continue usually. Likewise you're not going to continue with A299 on a 9TJ flop.

For example, which hand would you rather have, A288 on a 84x flop, or A299 on a 94x flop? That should make the situation more clear. You are about equally likely to have top set on either flop, but you obviously have much more equity with the first situation.

This is about making money on playable boards.

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