MP3 is loose preflop but reasonable postflop.
CO has been at the table for 10 Minutes playing almost every hand and showing two donkey plays so far(going bet/call/go broke with only bottom2pair on a 3-flush /3-low board).

888 Poker, $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha H/L Cash, 8 Players
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Hero (BTN): $19.14 (191.4 bb)
SB: $6.25 (62.5 bb)
BB: $28.76 (287.6 bb)
UTG+2: $16.69 (166.9 bb)
MP1: $11.50 (115 bb)
MP2: $9.96 (99.6 bb)
MP3: $9.38 (93.8 bb)
CO: $8.16 (81.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7 A 4 5
3 folds, MP3 calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, SB folds, BB checks

Flop: ($0.45) 3 T 6 (4 players)
CO bets $0.45, Hero raises to $1.80, 2 folds, CO calls $1.35
Pretty nice flop for us
CO donks out and I don't think we have to give him too much respect here. I am raising to realize my equity and possibly getting it in on the flop. Also hoping to get the other two players to fold A2xx and mediocre high-only hands. Does this seem reasonable or is calling a better decision here?

Turn: ($4.05) 9 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero?
Any reason to bet here? I feel like checking behind against this (any?) opponent is fine.

As always thanks for the help.

im very new to O8, so please please please dont take my advice. I just want to post my ideas and see if other more experienced players agree.

I think I like flatting the flop. its very likely that people will call with the nutlow draw, so i wouldnt count on pushing them off their equity and also, we are much more likely to win the high than the low and id rather take down the high with 4 players in the pot than 2. not too much sense in building the pot when we have a high chance of losing the whole pot or getting quartered.

I feel like if we raise the flop though, then we have to barrel the turn. it seems like people give way more respect to a double barrel than a single semibluff stab. i know in holdem people call flops a lot just to see what you'll do on the turn and will give it up if they dont improve. i dont think the 9 helps him very often.

again, im very new to omaha and O8 so im just posting my thoughts to see if more experienced players agree. please dont take this as advice.

Im no expert either, but if raise flop then barrel turn. If you get check raised the max its probably by A2 spades or A29T and you might find a fold.
If you check turn you must hit a nut river.


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Barrel turn and obv any pairing river.

What's wrong with a turn check? I like that more given stack sizes. Read dependent, of course, but in a vacuum.

Personally, i'm raising this preflop some non 0% of the time, I think if a raise is not in your range ever here you're losing value.

Booth options are fine, potting it or checking to see a free river card.

Villain seems like a calling station with any A2, so i would pot it and jamm river.
Then get angry when he calls it down if we brick :-).

Not much really, I just think this is a good hand to barrel with.

could that be more of a reason to flat call on the flop? to keep SPR low while our hand is still speculative?

raise flop, pot turn

You have to bet this turn and you have to bet it strong. Its a split pot game so most of your equity is gained from folding out low draws and freerolling. The more folds you get the more you win so we are happy when he folds. We can also correctly call when he raises

I dont like potting the turn. I like going 60% because we have so many scoop outs and can finish it off by bluffing at some of the offsuit rivers that dont make a low and board pairing cards and i believe that gives us perfect odd to call any reraise size and enough room for a balanced river approach

Never ever check here. The turn is where most of your profit comes from

oh yeah true stack sizes make potting turn for a weird river bet that villains are kind of forced to call

Some great advice guys - love to see that

Against a reasonable opponent I would have been more inclined to bet the turn, but I felt that this guy was so bad, that he would not fold here often enough.
More importantly I was not aware of how much equity we still have even against premium holdings. This makes bet/calling a viable option which I didn't realize while playing the hand. I need to put more work into these equity calculations to get a better "feel" for my chances of winning the pot against different ranges. This should have a direct impact on decision making -> hopefully helping me identify these spots on my own in the future.

Great contribution by JB Clark especially the thoughts about bet-sizing and thinking about future streets is something really helpful. Thanks to everybody for their thoughts and recommedations.

• I have a question regarding a possible river-bluff on a paired board: Why is a paired board so great for us to bluff? Is it because 2pairs/flushes get counterfeited/aren't the nuts quite often and have to fold? I guess we are also repping a set here quite often which would always fire on a paired river.
  
  
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  Originally Posted by JB Clark

  ...can finish it off by bluffing at some of the offsuit rivers that dont make a low and board pairing cards and i believe that gives us perfect odd to call any reraise size and enough room for a balanced river approach....
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  Originally Posted by amok

  Barrel turn and obv any pairing river.

Would be awesome if somebody could elaborate.

he can't represent sets/2ps really and his play suggests he's on a draw as well. while your play suggests that's entirely within your range.

I don't think so, our hand is way too strong to give a free card on the turn here. I think we pretty much have to raise flop every time.

I would b/c $2.45 ott. Shove pretty much any river if he flats.

okay, im a little confused... dont we want free cards? it seems to me that betting here is more of a semi bluff, leveraging FE to turn a roughly breakeven spot into a profitable spot. or maybe a value bet if we are that far ahead and expect him to call, but betting for protection seems counterintuitive to me with a drawing hand?

playing strong generates a ton of FE in addition to your super strong equity on the flop. doing it like this puts the guy in a box so he's at the mercy of your bets, because when you hit he's boned. when you don't hit, he likely didn't hit either so he's boned.


a free card makes more sense when he actually has given an indication or is in a situation where he has some type of showdown value that he wants to lay out on the table. like, pretend this is limit and he has T3. he's unlikely to give up to another bet on the river, so that's where a free card does you some good on the turn. actually that might be a bad example cause i'm pretty sure you're still beating that OTT but just saying.

anyway, when he bet/calls flop and looks like he's gonna c/c turn, he's most likely drawing just like you are. playing strong leverages him out of something that would otherwise beat a hand that you miss completely by the river.

Its possible we can bluff rivers but some ppl just dont know where theyre at when you give em 4 cards and 2 ways to win. Its not necessary to bluff the river. This is always tough because if v calls all rivers then we already made our money betting the turn. We dont need to bluff, we just can and its obv very villain dependent. But, even if villain calls and folds perfectly the turn bet is profitable and better than checking