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PLO8 .05/.1 How to play the flop with weak flushdraw + nutlow(re)draw? PLO8 .05/.1 How to play the flop with weak flushdraw + nutlow(re)draw?

07-20-2017 , 01:01 PM
I am pretty bad at PLO8 but am trying to improve - any help is appreciated.

Villains are playing too loose/passive pf and postflop.

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SB ($10.13)
BB ($13.76)
UTG ($8.57)
Hero (MP1) ($29.97)
MP2 ($11.65)
CO ($10.59)
Button ($10.09)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 3, 4, 2, 8
1 fold, Hero raises $0.35, 1 fold, CO raises $0.80, 2 folds, BB calls $0.70, Hero calls $0.45

Really not the best hand, but given the weakness of my opponents I raise and expect to get multiple callers. Is our hand too weak to do so? (It has only 48.9% vs a random hand) Calling the small reraise is standart I guess.

Flop: ($2.45) A, J, 6 (3 Spieler)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $1.52, 1 fold, Hero ?

When playing the hand I was really not sure how "good" this flop is for us. But after conducting some simple equity simulations it turns out this flop is pretty good for us. We have over 51% vs AAxx and over 53% vs Top5%. Is this realistic or should I run my simulations widely different?

So I guess the question becomes how we can get most out of our equity. And it seems like check/raising is good because a "free card" doesn't really scares us, the Initial 3-better is likely to have hit the flop hence c-bet and it avoids getting into a tough turn spot when our flop bet is only called.

Is my reasoning understandable or am I missing something? Any opinions and suggestions are highly welcome! Thanks in advance.
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07-20-2017 , 06:44 PM
fold or limp pre, nto raise and call a 3 bet.

as played ur in pretty godo shape on that flop... but u dont want to play for stacks on the flop. if someone wants to get it in, they prob have better high and low u could be 1/4. its a tough hand to play.... ur iether in great or horrible shape if the pot gets big. Tough to know which side you are on.
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07-21-2017 , 01:04 PM
Thanks for the reply!

I see your point about raising/playing preflop beeing a leak. Didn't realize how bad this hands does against any range. I feel these hands have some playability but I guess I really should not overvalue these type of hands.

Regarding postflop I partly disagree with you. I think this hand is rarely completely crushed (worst case beeing something like KcQc23 or Kc3c42 where we have ~30%/~22.5%) but also never far ahead. As the pot is already substantial on the flop and we can win 40BB if CO folds to our check/raise it felt like a decent spot to play aggro as we might take down the pot right here a decent amount of the time and if called we are in a decent shape against his range. I think players on this level will go broke here with AJxx AAxx A6xx kind of hands making this a decent play even if it increases our variance. I might be completely wrong about this though.

Possibly Bet/Calling Flop is better because we might take down the pot right there on the flop, we are not totally disgusted by a shove on the flop as we have the equity to call and we can still give up on silly turns. I personally just really dislike playing a big pot with a pure drawing hand OOP which is dependent on hitting the turn to continue. You can't completely avoid these spots, but this was my initial thought when dismissing betting or check/calling. We would have to give up the turn quite some times and if we hit we might have trouble getting value.

I understand that pf is more than marginal but I find myself in such a spot quite often and I feel like I am check/calling and check/folding too much if I have a Premium Nutdraw with a mediocre high hand/decent high-draw. I think that's okay in limped or single raised pot, but in these cases I think I am losing money in the long run. Any help makes me happy
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07-21-2017 , 02:05 PM
Pre is fine. This is a good hand. Raise the flop as much as they will let you
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07-21-2017 , 02:46 PM
The problem with opening non nut hands in PLO8 is that most pots are going to be MW, and you trap yourself drawing dead both ways. From UTG-MP, open suited wheel aces and 2 way hands, limp hands like the one in OP and premium one way high hands.

AP, xc or xr are both at your disposal since this is a pretty decent flop for your hand. Be better if the 6c were the 5c otf.
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07-21-2017 , 10:15 PM
Pre is fine but maybe not if you are unsure postflop or just learning. On the flop figure out a line to maximize fold equity. I would chk raise pot on the flop. Other lines are viable as well even chk call and bluffing some run outs makes sense.
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07-22-2017 , 07:02 PM
I like x/jam the flop given villain sizing.
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07-22-2017 , 08:35 PM
Thanks for the input. It seems like check/raise is a good option and I see why much better now. This includes points being made about maximizing fold/equity, playability of the hand and bet-sizing.
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07-24-2017 , 02:19 AM
This is a flop re-pot for me. Get it in! I'm either betting outright or given your confidence level on villain Cbetting flop, let him do the front bet. I think it comes down to how confident are you that villain will Cbet the flop?
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